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Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 17:08:51 2012

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Anyone else find the mistake in the info about Myrtle Ave Line in the "Stations' section in nycsubway.org? (hint- it's not any picture captioning!) I emailed them about it, but it's still uncorrected. See if you can also find it!

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 17:12:48 2012, in response to Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 17:08:51 2012.

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It's in the station-by-station guide!

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Allan on Thu Jun 7 18:39:46 2012, in response to Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 17:08:51 2012.

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You mean: "During rush hours it continues along Broadway to Manhattan and then to Brooklyn via the Montague Street tunnel and BMT 4th Ave. subway."?

If you emailed Dave P. about it he will get to it at some point and correct it.



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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 7 19:17:08 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Allan on Thu Jun 7 18:39:46 2012.

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I don't send corrections to Dave anymore after he disputed my correction years ago as to which were the last grade crossing stations on the SIRT and it's still uncorrected to this day.

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 7 19:24:12 2012, in response to Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 17:08:51 2012.

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His general method of listing opening dates of stations is rather slipshod, but the closing date of Grand Avenue rather jumps out at you.

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by The Silence on Thu Jun 7 19:34:12 2012, in response to Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 17:08:51 2012.

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it's not so much an error as much as he just never bothered to update it.

Now the map on the main page still showing the brown M and the orange M is a problem.

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jun 7 19:57:25 2012, in response to Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 17:08:51 2012.

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Gotta be the closing date for Grand Ave, which IIRC went with the Lex in October '50. I noticed that a few years ago.

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 7 20:30:47 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jun 7 19:57:25 2012.

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It outlasted the Lex, closing in January 1953.

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jun 7 20:48:11 2012, in response to Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 17:08:51 2012.

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I'd have to go with the Grand Av closing date. Even if the service changes are in error they're not really relevant to the structure itself.

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 21:17:32 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 7 19:17:08 2012.

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Last year, I mailed him a correction on one of his pictures of the 9th ave el. In this particular photo, you will see 2 sets of 3 car composites at 155th Street. One is about to cross the Putnam Bridge, while the other is entering the station. The ONLY time this ever happened was on the last day of service, June 10th, 1940. They moved these composites in 3 car sets because they feared the 9th ave el would collapse- it didn't. They would be the first cars for the Polo Grounds Shuttle service. On June 18, 1941, they were cut to 2 car shuttles. Bottom line- he captioned them, "May be in June, 1940". gee, thanks!

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 21:22:33 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 7 19:24:12 2012.

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I missed it too, until recently. I believe that the correct date for the closing of Grand Ave, on the Myrtle el, is Jan 21, 1953. Sorry, I have this thing for historical dates!

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 21:24:27 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by The Silence on Thu Jun 7 19:34:12 2012.

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No, he grouped grand/Myrtle into the 10/04/69 date. I'm sure it was an oversight.

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 21:29:04 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 7 20:30:47 2012.

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the Lex el westbound-only grand Ave station closed on 10/13/50. Grand Ave station on the Myrtle el closed on 10/21/53. That surprised me, since it served Pratt Institute back then.

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by The Silence on Thu Jun 7 22:36:49 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 21:24:27 2012.

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I was talking about that part about the southern division...

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 22:42:17 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by The Silence on Thu Jun 7 22:36:49 2012.

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Okay!

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by SLRT on Fri Jun 8 06:43:27 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 21:17:32 2012.

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Heh.

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by SLRT on Fri Jun 8 06:44:33 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 21:22:33 2012.

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Me too, and I also have 1/21/53.

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 8 13:02:03 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 21:29:04 2012.

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There was a stop on Myrtle only a block away at Washington Ave.

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 8 15:50:24 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 21:29:04 2012.

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I thought that more students would use the Myrtle Ave el's Grand Ave station.

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 8 16:04:52 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jun 7 20:48:11 2012.

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They demolished the Grand Ave station of the Myrtle Ave el in 1953. That's not relevant to the structure?

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jun 8 16:12:28 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jun 7 20:48:11 2012.

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You misunderstood my post. I was agreeing with you. I was referring to the other posters who brought up the lettered routes as being not relevant. That's why I said "I'd have to go with the Grand Av closing date".

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 8 16:16:38 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jun 8 16:12:28 2012.

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Okay, no problem!

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 9 20:59:28 2012, in response to Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 17:08:51 2012.

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The Grand Ave closing date has been changed to 1/21/53. YAY!!!

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Mon Jun 11 14:10:15 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 7 19:17:08 2012.

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Ditto. I stopped bothering after I dropped him a note to let him know he had mis-identified some R-44s as R-46s. The key things were the dates of the photos (1973-4) and the side and end sign styles. He responded with a snarky remark that I was absolutely wrong about the R-46s having arrived on the property with the solid bullet ends and route bullet|north over south terminal sides. "The R46s used the R-44 style signage until 1977." (It was 1977 when R-46 style signage started appearing on older R-4x cars.) I told him all he need do is look at other R-46 photos...to which he replied "WHATEVER!!!!!" Another regular told me that he tended to be dismissive of corrections from people who didn't live in or close to NYC or provide him with photos on a regular basis, regardless of their knowledge of things. I liked him a lot more before he became a diva.

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 12 20:12:40 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Mon Jun 11 14:10:15 2012.

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And then there was the time when he had a 1300 BU misidentified as a 1200 because that was the best reading of the car number he could make out in the photo. He wanted me to "prove" that one too. There were a couple of 1200s that looked different from the others because of rebuildings, but any NYC railfan should know what a 1300 BU looks like.

There is lots of good stuff on his site but that fact doesn't mean he should be so dismissive of others, especially those who have more knowledge than he does.

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 12 20:15:06 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 7 21:22:33 2012.

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Sorry, I have this thing for historical dates!

So do I, but an incorrect date on a respected site becomes accepted "fact."

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by The Silence on Tue Jun 12 20:41:33 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 9 20:59:28 2012.

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....I'm surrounded by a bunch of Sheldon Coopers....

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 12 20:50:11 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 12 20:15:06 2012.

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Then, you will like my latest update! Go to nycsubway.org, "stations"> "9th Ave el"> photos 217-224. Image #45172. Those notes on why this photo was taken on June 10th, 1940, are courtesy of me!

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 12 20:52:14 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by The Silence on Tue Jun 12 20:41:33 2012.

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Funny, I never started to do this until after the Big Bang Theory started!

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by SLRT on Fri Jun 15 16:17:34 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 12 20:50:11 2012.

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I do. Good work!

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Re: Error in nycsubway.org

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jun 16 01:28:02 2012, in response to Re: Error in nycsubway.org, posted by SLRT on Fri Jun 15 16:17:34 2012.

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Thanks!

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