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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 21 10:18:23 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Sand Box John on Thu Jul 21 09:57:11 2005.

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I agree.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by joe c on Thu Jul 21 10:50:22 2005, in response to TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by BRT-The Untouchable on Thu Jul 21 01:08:13 2005.

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Nice pics.it looks like the R143.why did they put double leaf doors on
the R160?i like the single leaf doors on the R143 better.




til next time

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 21 10:56:33 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by joe c on Thu Jul 21 10:50:22 2005.

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Some nonsense about the single leaf door being too heavy.

Peace,
ANDEE

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by joe c on Thu Jul 21 11:17:53 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 21 10:56:33 2005.

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Too heavy,too heavy are you kidding.those doors are easy to open up and you only use one hand.





til next time

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Motor Coach Industries on Thu Jul 21 11:24:19 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Sand Box John on Thu Jul 21 09:57:11 2005.

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Exactly.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Sand Box John on Thu Jul 21 11:25:44 2005, in response to TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by BRT-The Untouchable on Thu Jul 21 01:08:13 2005.

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What’s up with the bulkhead door on the B end of the car? Can’t say I have ever seen a double leaf bulkhead door on any NYCTA rolling stock before. Is this something new for this series of cars or has this door configuration been installed on other newer rolling stock?

Nice shots by the way ! !

John in the sand box of Marylands eastern shore.


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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Motor Coach Industries on Thu Jul 21 11:29:16 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Sand Box John on Thu Jul 21 11:25:44 2005.

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The BBD R142s and Kawasaki R142As have them too.

The R143s don't have em, but I guess the MTA would like to start using them again.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 21 11:31:32 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Sand Box John on Thu Jul 21 11:25:44 2005.

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http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3533

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Jul 21 11:32:36 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 21 09:09:01 2005.

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Yep. The 340 4-unit trains will range from 8313-8652. Then there are 60 more R-160As which will be in 5-car sets with numbers 8653-8712. Which would make 8713 the first of the R160-Bs. It is strange to have a car class begin with a number that doesn't end in 0 or 1, but I guess they wanted the numbering to pick up where they left off with the R-143s. There is precedent for this (the R-12s starting at 5703 behind the last Low-V (I think it was a Low-V), 5702). And some R-10s were originally numbered 1803-1852 (I think) behind the last arnine (1802), until they were renumbered 2950-2999.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Broadway Junction on Thu Jul 21 11:54:13 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Sand Box John on Thu Jul 21 09:57:11 2005.

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IMO being anywhere NEAR the MTA logo is an inferior position.

Besides, it just doesn't look right on the ends.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Broadway Junction on Thu Jul 21 11:56:06 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 21 10:56:33 2005.

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The double doors are just as heavy, and harder to open.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 21 11:57:27 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by joe c on Thu Jul 21 11:17:53 2005.

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Why do you think I said it was nonsense.

Peace,
ANDEE

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 21 11:57:37 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Broadway Junction on Thu Jul 21 11:54:13 2005.

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Yeah, it shouldn't be on the ends. Only on the sides, IMO.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Lexington Avenue local on Thu Jul 21 12:32:19 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by South Ferry on Thu Jul 21 03:07:15 2005.

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Dude, thats 207. Anything going to Yonkers is to be completed and then shipped to MTA property.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by the Port Of Authority on Thu Jul 21 12:50:58 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Sand Box John on Thu Jul 21 09:57:11 2005.

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The US flag shouldn't be placed under another flag (inferiority) but the MTA logo isn't a flag.

Besides, the flag is under the logo on the R143s and looks much better than the flag on the R160.

Robert

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 21 13:30:22 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Lexington Avenue local on Thu Jul 21 12:32:19 2005.

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That does look like the back of 207yard.

Robert

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Atlantic Av El? on Thu Jul 21 13:30:46 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by tydev417 on Thu Jul 21 09:44:39 2005.

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No!!! Keep the R44SI for fantrip, since they got a lot more original stuff (air release sounds, old stickers from the 70s and 80s)!!!


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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 21 13:34:12 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Atlantic Av El? on Thu Jul 21 13:30:46 2005.

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Don't worry, if there were plans to do anything with the R-44SI cars, we'd hear about it.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by 1/9 Broadway Local on Thu Jul 21 13:43:05 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 21 10:56:33 2005.

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Yeah, 'cause the double leaf doors are as light as a freakin' feather.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by 1/9 Broadway Local on Thu Jul 21 13:46:35 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jul 21 09:52:36 2005.

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Testing beginning next month?

I figured it would be a bit longer than that.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by BIE on Thu Jul 21 13:51:46 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by 1/9 Broadway Local on Thu Jul 21 13:46:35 2005.

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I knew they would come early for over a week.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 21 13:54:20 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 21 13:34:12 2005.

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I thought they might get some R160's that meet FRA rules.

Robert

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Atlantic Av El? on Thu Jul 21 13:57:44 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 21 13:54:20 2005.

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R2000905676896784797846905468908906789s????

(we'll probably have to wait till the year 9000 for that)

(LOL)

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Atlantic Av El? on Thu Jul 21 14:26:42 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by 1/9 Broadway Local on Thu Jul 21 13:43:05 2005.

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NOT IN MY CASE.

The doors on the old redbirds (from R26 to R36WF) are WAY lighter than all stainless steel doors. Period.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jul 21 14:34:02 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 21 13:54:20 2005.

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SIR's not under the FRA any more. Notice the grab irons aren't there any more?

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by South Ferry on Thu Jul 21 14:36:24 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jul 21 13:30:22 2005.

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Yes. But if it were a SHELL. It'd go via Yonkers first.

(or atleast I remember the Rmadillos coming in that way).

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by South Ferry on Thu Jul 21 14:37:44 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jul 21 09:22:33 2005.

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iawtp.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by mambomta on Thu Jul 21 14:40:27 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jul 21 14:34:02 2005.

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SIR is under a waiver that exempts them from certain regulations. Of course, it shouldn't be under FRA regs anymore since it has absolutely no connection to the National Network.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 21 14:44:15 2005, in response to TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by BRT-The Untouchable on Thu Jul 21 01:08:13 2005.

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They look just like the R143's, except for those stupid double doors.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 15:10:53 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jul 21 08:05:27 2005.

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they did NOT come from yonkers. the car came over the GWB.

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More R160's To Arrive

Posted by MuseumTrain Restorer on Thu Jul 21 16:06:30 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Lexington Avenue local on Thu Jul 21 12:32:19 2005.

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R160's to arrive at 65 track in 207St. yd around midnight tonight ,monday ,tues. wed. (215st. and Harlem River)They are coming from Port Newark.

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Re: More R160's To Arrive

Posted by AcelaExpress2005 - R160 on Thu Jul 21 16:24:23 2005, in response to More R160's To Arrive, posted by MuseumTrain Restorer on Thu Jul 21 16:06:30 2005.

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Curious: how do you know?

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Re: More R160's To Arrive

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 21 16:27:43 2005, in response to Re: More R160's To Arrive, posted by AcelaExpress2005 - R160 on Thu Jul 21 16:24:23 2005.

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He's in the know. Seriously. Look at the email address...

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Re: More R160's To Arrive

Posted by Atlantic Av El? on Thu Jul 21 16:27:59 2005, in response to Re: More R160's To Arrive, posted by AcelaExpress2005 - R160 on Thu Jul 21 16:24:23 2005.

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Readeth t3h title: Museum train restorer.

He is an actual train restorer, cuz one time I e-mailed him about museum train consists.

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More R160'sTo Arrive

Posted by MuseumTrain Restorer on Thu Jul 21 16:28:03 2005, in response to More R160's To Arrive, posted by MuseumTrain Restorer on Thu Jul 21 16:06:30 2005.

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I had to move my cars out to make room.

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Re: More R160'sTo Arrive

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 21 16:29:06 2005, in response to More R160'sTo Arrive, posted by MuseumTrain Restorer on Thu Jul 21 16:28:03 2005.

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Such disrespect :)

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by VictorM on Thu Jul 21 17:32:43 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by joe c on Thu Jul 21 10:50:22 2005.

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The one advantage of double leaf doors is that they can't slide open on curves.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Atlantic Av El? on Thu Jul 21 17:34:24 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by VictorM on Thu Jul 21 17:32:43 2005.

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And they don't have those overhead latches that hold the doors open........I luv those.......

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Re: More R160'sTo Arrive

Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Jul 21 17:52:59 2005, in response to More R160'sTo Arrive, posted by MuseumTrain Restorer on Thu Jul 21 16:28:03 2005.

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Somebody's priorities are all messed up.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Jul 21 18:10:19 2005, in response to TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by BRT-The Untouchable on Thu Jul 21 01:08:13 2005.

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Hrm...

Does anyone know if the R160's will contain digital, LCD display stripmaps, retain the standard paper stripmaps currently present in R14*'s, or lack stripmaps altogether?

Also: From what I've overheard, the (D) will be the first train running on the 8th Ave. Line to receive the R160's, donating the R68's to the (A) to replace the R44's. Can anyone validate this?

--Julian

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Re: More R160'sTo Arrive

Posted by Atlantic Av El? on Thu Jul 21 18:16:32 2005, in response to More R160'sTo Arrive, posted by MuseumTrain Restorer on Thu Jul 21 16:28:03 2005.

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Speaking of cars, my dad told me just now that the painted redbirds were heading towards pitkin yard. Can you confirm that?

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by 1/9 Broadway Local on Thu Jul 21 18:19:47 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Atlantic Av El? on Thu Jul 21 14:26:42 2005.

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...I was being sarcastic.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by R30A on Thu Jul 21 18:26:02 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Subterranean Railway on Thu Jul 21 18:10:19 2005.

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Nah--
From pretty reliable sources, it has been said that these cars will be going to Coney Island.
Expect them on the N/Q

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Thu Jul 21 18:31:01 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by South Ferry on Thu Jul 21 14:36:24 2005.

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The pilot cars for Kawasaki are coming directly from Lincoln, NB. The production cars will be built as a shell in Lincoln, NB, sent over to Yonkers, NY for finishing, and then 207 for the final touches.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by mr_brian on Thu Jul 21 18:31:24 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 21 11:57:37 2005.

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In agreement with that.

They shouldn't put them on the ends at all. The rest of the rolling stock (except R-143s) do not have them, so why should they have them?

To me, the flag just makes the front look more cluttered than it should be.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Thu Jul 21 18:33:55 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jul 21 08:50:02 2005.

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Really odd car # to start with, but with the 10 car set being delivered (one car at a time), we will settle for 8711-8720 as the first car #'s on record.


Umm, it's starting with 8713, not 8711. And the pilot set is supposedly only 5 cars.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Thu Jul 21 18:35:06 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jul 21 14:34:02 2005.

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Nope, they're still under the FRA...but under waiver.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Jul 21 18:39:30 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by Sand Box John on Thu Jul 21 09:57:11 2005.

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What happens when two flag protocols conflict?

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Re: More R160's To Arrive

Posted by AcelaExpress2005 - R160 on Thu Jul 21 19:01:16 2005, in response to Re: More R160's To Arrive, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 21 16:27:43 2005.

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Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car

Posted by Atlantic Av El? on Thu Jul 21 19:04:14 2005, in response to Re: TTMG (TransiTALK) MEGA EXCLUSIVE: First Look @ Kawasaki R-160 Subway Car, posted by 1/9 Broadway Local on Thu Jul 21 18:19:47 2005.

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Trring to reach my level of sarcasm? Not a chance, brah. My level of sarcasm is so high, it pisses many people off.

I just have to limit my sarcasm to miniscule.

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