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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 19 03:23:19 2012, in response to LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012. “Being noticeably intoxicated will not prevent you from getting on the train,” acknowledged the MTA spokesman.Therefore the alcohol ban is a useless gesture that will result in more trouble. Captain Obvious: The most ignored superhero, right when he needs to be listened to the most. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat May 19 04:36:09 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 19 03:23:19 2012. What else can you do? You can't ban the riders from the trains, that might encourage them to drive. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 19 04:49:12 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by 3-9 on Sat May 19 04:36:09 2012. IF you had platform conductors, you could give them a sniff and put them in the "drunk car" ... after all, if we have "quiet cars" might as well have "Drunk cars" ... they used to segregate smokers that way in the days of yore ...Hose it down at the terminal and turn it around for rush hour. :) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 19 04:52:44 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by 3-9 on Sat May 19 04:36:09 2012. What do you mean by "what else"? The people who drink on the train are not the ones who have been getting hammered before getting on the train, so why are you trying to sidestep the point? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat May 19 05:05:13 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 19 04:52:44 2012. Why would you think the people who drink on the train and the people who drink before getting on the train are mutually exclusive? The ban on bringing alcohol on the train is to prevent people from getting drunk or drunker on the train. It's a very small move, but it's not like the railroad has any other way of reducing riders' intoxication before boarding, is there? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat May 19 05:07:33 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 19 04:49:12 2012. The thought of a relatively new car being assigned as a "drunk car" is enough to make me weep :-). Forget the next rush hour, send it back to the shop for a rebuild! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 19 05:10:14 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by 3-9 on Sat May 19 05:07:33 2012. Nah ... with a high pressure wash, good as new the next morning. Bus lines do it all the time. :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 19 06:18:07 2012, in response to LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012. Even closed containers—a sealed six-pack or an unopened bottle of wine—are contraband during ban hours.That's ridiculous. What if you are going somewhere and bringing a bottle of wine? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 19 06:19:53 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 19 03:23:19 2012. It's all bandstanding. It will do nothing to solve the alleged problem, as most of these people are drunk before even getting on the train. All this will do is encourage people to chug a lug more alcohol, quicker, before getting on the train or before going to Penn Station. (and in essence making them worse in the process). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 19 06:22:18 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by 3-9 on Sat May 19 05:05:13 2012. It's a very small move, but it's not like the railroad has any other way of reducing riders' intoxication before boarding, is there?They are encouraging them to become WORSE. This will encourage these people to chug a lug alcohol faster before getting on the train or to Penn Station, instead of drinking it slower on the train. That will make people drunker. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 07:07:14 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 19 06:18:07 2012. What will they ban next ? Cork screws ?When I buy wine, it goes in the trunk of my car. I do not want to give a cop more ammunition or be subjected to a breathalyzer on his revenue jaunt for my going 3 MPH over the speed limit, which is common on weekends. Not that it has happened to me, but I don't take chances. |
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Posted by BMRR on Sat May 19 08:34:00 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by 3-9 on Sat May 19 05:05:13 2012. Lets just BAN everything........ |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 10:01:34 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 19 06:19:53 2012. Or they will chug a lug longer at the bars and take 2 and 3am trains rather than 1am and 2am ones.MN has always overcome the problem by shutting down at 1:30am like a nunnery. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 19 10:48:09 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 19 06:18:07 2012. I guess anyone bring back a rare bottle of wine as a gift from an after-work office party is out of luck... I would imagine that is a fairly common occurrence. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 19 10:50:02 2012, in response to LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012. Amtrak sells alcohol in most of its dining and lounge cars but permits the consumption of private stock only in sleeper cars.Really? Because that makes their elimination of Empire Corridor food service cars even more annoying... I've brought my own beer on a few times and the conductors never paid it any mind... granted this was at least 2 years ago. Is this a new rule? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 19 10:51:19 2012, in response to LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012. Amtrak sells alcohol in most of its dining and lounge cars but permits the consumption of private stock only in sleeper cars.Really? Because that makes their elimination of Empire Corridor food service cars even more annoying... I've brought my own beer on a few times and the conductors never paid it any mind... granted this was at least 2 years ago. Is this a new rule? |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Sat May 19 11:02:27 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 19 05:10:14 2012. How about getting an old stock car? They get fresh air, as a bonus! Throw some hay down to soak up any 'bodily fluids' and a place for them to take a nap!STILL LOL@BUMBLING BUREAUCRATS |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 13:05:34 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 19 10:48:09 2012. Will be an issue between Thanksgiving and New Years.Hide it in your briefcase. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sat May 19 13:21:54 2012, in response to LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012. Comparing trains between midtown and Flushing on Friday and Saturday nights. The no. 7 train from Times Square, both the station platform and the trains themselves, are filled with generally quiet and respectful people, traveling peacefully home. The LIRR train from Penn Station is filled with drunks and promiscuity ("train-o-sluts"), boisterous and disrespectful, most of whom appear to travel for points east of Flushing.Perhaps my observations are too casual, but it seems to me that, in general, New Yorkers are much better behaved than Long Islanders and other suburbanites. I'm not quite certain why, but I think it something to do with the fact that there is so much to do in New York, and since there's much to do on Long Island they to drink instead (and when traveling to New York, they bring their drunken behavior with them). |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sat May 19 13:21:56 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 19 06:18:07 2012. Fourth Amendment. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sat May 19 13:22:00 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 19 10:50:02 2012. No, a long-standing rule. It has been applied as well to airliners and oceanliners. "No" is common areas, "yes" in private areas. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 19 13:23:15 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by BusMgr on Sat May 19 13:21:54 2012. When I worked nights, riding the J train between 1 and 3 AM was no picnic, especially in summer and especially on Friday. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 19 17:16:02 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by BigBusDriver on Sat May 19 11:02:27 2012. Nah ... we don't want to go completely Trailways here now, do we? :) |
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Posted by WillD on Sat May 19 18:37:47 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by BigBusDriver on Sat May 19 11:02:27 2012. I suspect there would be a whole lot of people who would take even the mere suggestion that people ride in stock cars as being highly offensive. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sat May 19 18:54:49 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by WillD on Sat May 19 18:37:47 2012. Just use miniature auto racks.:-) |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat May 19 19:22:18 2012, in response to LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012. That is so dumb. If they want people to drive instead of training then say so.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 19 21:10:51 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by BMRR on Sat May 19 08:34:00 2012. I'll drink to that! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 19 21:49:19 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 19 21:10:51 2012. Even trains? |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat May 19 22:16:36 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 19 06:18:07 2012. My thoughts exactly.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 20 05:00:26 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 19 10:48:09 2012. It's ridiculous. It's more nanny state gone wild. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 20 05:01:40 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by BusMgr on Sat May 19 13:21:56 2012. Someone needs to challenge that. While I don't agree with it, I can see the ban on consumption, but for possession a legal item (closed no less) like a bottle of wine or a six pack? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 20 05:02:49 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 19 21:49:19 2012. If they ban the trains they won't have to worry about people carrying/transporting closed containers of wine or beer. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 20 05:05:15 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by BusMgr on Sat May 19 13:21:54 2012. LOL!!!! Oh yes, the "subway Angels". Take a ride on the L train at night. Or the J train.What a crock of SHIT. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 20 05:06:48 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Fred G on Sat May 19 19:22:18 2012. The whole thing is ridiculous, as that is a point to keep people from driving. But now they are almost encouraging it, as they are taking away a reason for not driving.And the most asinine thing is that people can't carry a closed bottle of wine or beer onto the train? How do they know they aren't taking it to someone's house? How absurd. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun May 20 07:50:24 2012, in response to LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012. I guess bringing back the smoking cars are out of the question now. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun May 20 08:24:53 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 20 05:06:48 2012. True, not that I support either ban but it should be limited to open containers. This rule is dumb.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun May 20 11:17:48 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun May 20 07:50:24 2012. you should be happy about this. More power for the police. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun May 20 12:18:03 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Rockparkman on Sat May 19 18:54:49 2012. Like the ones ordered by FEMA? 8-) |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun May 20 12:44:03 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by 3-9 on Sun May 20 12:18:03 2012. Yes. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 20 15:24:35 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 20 05:02:49 2012. They might have a riot on their hands though. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun May 20 17:01:04 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Fred G on Sat May 19 19:22:18 2012. So long as those who do not take personal responsibility for their actions while inebriated are not held accountable for those actions there is no reason for any transit system to cater to their needs. Once they reach the point where they are incapable of caring for themselves they're simply a liability to whatever transit system they happen to be riding on. Maybe if we approached drinking with some maturity we wouldn't see this sort of thing, but unfortunately people erroneously assume that because they're not driving they are absolved of any and all consequences for their intoxication. It's too bad MAD is so autocentric, because they've really done a disservice to the threat the severely intoxicated pose to themselves and others when they enter any hazardous environment. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun May 20 20:11:05 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by WillD on Sun May 20 17:01:04 2012. Good post. |
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