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LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012 edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Long Island-bound commuters who prefer to bring a few beers on their Friday night trip to Babylon better catch the 11:52 p.m. out of Penn Station. Starting this weekend, Long Island Rail Road will prohibit alcoholic beverages at the stroke of midnight. The overnight ban is limited in scope, lasting until 5 a.m. on Saturday and Sunday mornings. Passengers departing at all other times will still be allowed to bring their own booze aboard. Still, the change doesn’t sit well with tipsy passengers or those who supply them. A late-night exploration of affected lines last weekend turned up no shortage of open containers—as well as burping, slurred speech, stumbling and, in one case, vomiting. Those holding drinks included celebrating sports fans, revelers ending a night on the town, both amorous and quarrelsome couples and women weeping into cellphones. Anthony Silva, a videogame-store clerk from Long Island, clutched brown-bagged Budweiser cans in each hand on the Port Washington line, his girlfriend nodding off at his side. His response was typical. “The city doesn’t need to be so concerned with what happens here,” explained Mr. Silva, who like several people interviewed about the ban attributed the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s policy to city officials. He preferred to restrict the drinking of riders headed across the Hudson, a proposal rooted in the ongoing playoff series between the New York Rangers and the New Jersey Devils: “They should be looking at that PATH shit,” Mr. Silva said. The decision to ban late-night alcohol on the weekends follows a small spike in passenger misbehavior. In the space of five days in March, two LIRR conductors reported coming under assault in separate incidents, according to MTA spokesman Salvatore Arena. Between 2007 and 2010, the railroad on average recorded three assaults on conductors over a full year—a tally that rose to six in 2011. “The conductors have been aware of an increase in attacks,” Mr. Arena said. “We’re not talking about tremendous numbers here. But look, what we want is zero incidents.” Only one of the two incidents precipitating the ban involved alcohol, according to police and MTA records. The drunken misconduct occurred at 4:30 a.m. The partial LIRR drinking ban complicates an already patchwork system of rules about when and where transit passengers in the region can and can’t imbibe. Metro-North, the MTA’s other suburban train service, is in the alcohol business through its fleet of bar cars—but only on the New Haven line. Alcohol consumption is forbidden in New York City’s subway system, yet the rule is sometimes broken. New Jersey Transit is no more consistent than the MTA, forbidding alcohol on its Hudson-Bergen light-rail line while allowing it on other services. Amtrak sells alcohol in most of its dining and lounge cars but permits the consumption of private stock only in sleeper cars. None of the three largest U.S. commuter railroads beyond New York—serving Boston, Chicago and Philadelphia—allow boozing on board. The Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority is planning to ban even alcohol-related advertising this summer. Enforcement of LIRR’s part-time prohibition will occur throughout the system. Mr. Arena said transit police officers will be empowered to issue summonses and eject passengers violating the rule. Even closed containers—a sealed six-pack or an unopened bottle of wine—are contraband during ban hours. The primary focus of enforcement will be Pennsylvania Station, where additional MTA police will be positioned to interdict passengers trying to board with alcohol. Mr. Arena said there are no plans to limit alcohol sales inside the station. “We don’t want to go that far,” he said. Afrouj Shelina manages a trio of Penn Station venues whose marquees list a jumble of fast-food logos. Twice each week she accepts deliveries of some three dozen cases of beer, and weekends account for about one third of her beer sales. Passenger demand is such that even bookstores in the station include ice-filled chests of 24-ounce beer cans known as tallboys. “If they cannot have beers, I will not be able to sell them,” Ms. Shelina said. “If I cannot sell them, it will hurt not just my business but the whole station.” Felix Kumira, the night manager at Central Market, a catch-all food and beer purveyor inside the station, doubted that the new LIRR rules would do much to change the culture of drunken commuting. “What does it do if you cannot drink the beers on the train if you already have had the beers in the station or in Madison Square Garden? The people will be drunk anyway,” Mr. Kumira said. “The city cannot ban being drunk at midnight on the weekend.” Mr. Arena agreed. “Being noticeably intoxicated will not prevent you from getting on the train,” acknowledged the MTA spokesman. ---http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/05/17/end-of-the-line-for-midnight-drinkers/?mod=WSJBlog
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat May 19 03:23:19 2012, in response to LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d “Being noticeably intoxicated will not prevent you from getting on the train,” acknowledged the MTA spokesman. Therefore the alcohol ban is a useless gesture that will result in more trouble. Captain Obvious: The most ignored superhero, right when he needs to be listened to the most.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by 3-9* on Sat May 19 04:36:09 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 19 03:23:19 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What else can you do? You can't ban the riders from the trains, that might encourage them to drive.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat May 19 04:49:12 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by 3-9 on Sat May 19 04:36:09 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d IF you had platform conductors, you could give them a sniff and put them in the "drunk car" ... after all, if we have "quiet cars" might as well have "Drunk cars" ... they used to segregate smokers that way in the days of yore ... Hose it down at the terminal and turn it around for rush hour. :)
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat May 19 04:52:44 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by 3-9 on Sat May 19 04:36:09 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What do you mean by "what else"? The people who drink on the train are not the ones who have been getting hammered before getting on the train, so why are you trying to sidestep the point?
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by 3-9* on Sat May 19 05:05:13 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 19 04:52:44 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Why would you think the people who drink on the train and the people who drink before getting on the train are mutually exclusive? The ban on bringing alcohol on the train is to prevent people from getting drunk or drunker on the train. It's a very small move, but it's not like the railroad has any other way of reducing riders' intoxication before boarding, is there?
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by 3-9* on Sat May 19 05:07:33 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 19 04:49:12 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The thought of a relatively new car being assigned as a "drunk car" is enough to make me weep :-). Forget the next rush hour, send it back to the shop for a rebuild!
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat May 19 05:10:14 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by 3-9 on Sat May 19 05:07:33 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Nah ... with a high pressure wash, good as new the next morning. Bus lines do it all the time. :)
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Sat May 19 06:18:07 2012, in response to LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Even closed containers—a sealed six-pack or an unopened bottle of wine—are contraband during ban hours. That's ridiculous. What if you are going somewhere and bringing a bottle of wine?
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Sat May 19 06:19:53 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 19 03:23:19 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It's all bandstanding. It will do nothing to solve the alleged problem, as most of these people are drunk before even getting on the train. All this will do is encourage people to chug a lug more alcohol, quicker, before getting on the train or before going to Penn Station. (and in essence making them worse in the process).
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Sat May 19 06:22:18 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by 3-9 on Sat May 19 05:05:13 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It's a very small move, but it's not like the railroad has any other way of reducing riders' intoxication before boarding, is there? They are encouraging them to become WORSE. This will encourage these people to chug a lug alcohol faster before getting on the train or to Penn Station, instead of drinking it slower on the train. That will make people drunker.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Joe V* on Sat May 19 07:07:14 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 19 06:18:07 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What will they ban next ? Cork screws ? When I buy wine, it goes in the trunk of my car. I do not want to give a cop more ammunition or be subjected to a breathalyzer on his revenue jaunt for my going 3 MPH over the speed limit, which is common on weekends. Not that it has happened to me, but I don't take chances.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by BMRR* on Sat May 19 08:34:00 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by 3-9 on Sat May 19 05:05:13 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Lets just BAN everything........
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Joe V* on Sat May 19 10:01:34 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 19 06:19:53 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Or they will chug a lug longer at the bars and take 2 and 3am trains rather than 1am and 2am ones. MN has always overcome the problem by shutting down at 1:30am like a nunnery.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Sat May 19 10:48:09 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 19 06:18:07 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I guess anyone bring back a rare bottle of wine as a gift from an after-work office party is out of luck... I would imagine that is a fairly common occurrence.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Sat May 19 10:50:02 2012, in response to LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Amtrak sells alcohol in most of its dining and lounge cars but permits the consumption of private stock only in sleeper cars. Really? Because that makes their elimination of Empire Corridor food service cars even more annoying... I've brought my own beer on a few times and the conductors never paid it any mind... granted this was at least 2 years ago. Is this a new rule?
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Sat May 19 10:51:19 2012, in response to LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Amtrak sells alcohol in most of its dining and lounge cars but permits the consumption of private stock only in sleeper cars. Really? Because that makes their elimination of Empire Corridor food service cars even more annoying... I've brought my own beer on a few times and the conductors never paid it any mind... granted this was at least 2 years ago. Is this a new rule?
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by BigBusDriver* on Sat May 19 11:02:27 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 19 05:10:14 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d How about getting an old stock car? They get fresh air, as a bonus! Throw some hay down to soak up any 'bodily fluids' and a place for them to take a nap! STILL LOL@BUMBLING BUREAUCRATS
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Joe V* on Sat May 19 13:05:34 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 19 10:48:09 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Will be an issue between Thanksgiving and New Years. Hide it in your briefcase.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by BusMgr* on Sat May 19 13:21:54 2012, in response to LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Comparing trains between midtown and Flushing on Friday and Saturday nights. The no. 7 train from Times Square, both the station platform and the trains themselves, are filled with generally quiet and respectful people, traveling peacefully home. The LIRR train from Penn Station is filled with drunks and promiscuity ("train-o-sluts"), boisterous and disrespectful, most of whom appear to travel for points east of Flushing. Perhaps my observations are too casual, but it seems to me that, in general, New Yorkers are much better behaved than Long Islanders and other suburbanites. I'm not quite certain why, but I think it something to do with the fact that there is so much to do in New York, and since there's much to do on Long Island they to drink instead (and when traveling to New York, they bring their drunken behavior with them).
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by BusMgr* on Sat May 19 13:21:56 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 19 06:18:07 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Fourth Amendment.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by BusMgr* on Sat May 19 13:22:00 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 19 10:50:02 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d No, a long-standing rule. It has been applied as well to airliners and oceanliners. "No" is common areas, "yes" in private areas.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sat May 19 13:23:15 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by BusMgr on Sat May 19 13:21:54 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d When I worked nights, riding the J train between 1 and 3 AM was no picnic, especially in summer and especially on Friday.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat May 19 17:16:02 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by BigBusDriver on Sat May 19 11:02:27 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Nah ... we don't want to go completely Trailways here now, do we? :)
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by WillD* on Sat May 19 18:37:47 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by BigBusDriver on Sat May 19 11:02:27 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I suspect there would be a whole lot of people who would take even the mere suggestion that people ride in stock cars as being highly offensive.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Rockparkman* on Sat May 19 18:54:49 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by WillD on Sat May 19 18:37:47 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Just use miniature auto racks. :-)
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Fred G* on Sat May 19 19:22:18 2012, in response to LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That is so dumb. If they want people to drive instead of training then say so. your pal, Fred
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Elkeeper* on Sat May 19 21:10:51 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by BMRR on Sat May 19 08:34:00 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I'll drink to that!
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat May 19 21:49:19 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 19 21:10:51 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Even trains?
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by jimmymc25* on Sat May 19 22:16:36 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 19 06:18:07 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d My thoughts exactly. Jimmymc25
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Sun May 20 05:00:26 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 19 10:48:09 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It's ridiculous. It's more nanny state gone wild.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Sun May 20 05:01:40 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by BusMgr on Sat May 19 13:21:56 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Someone needs to challenge that. While I don't agree with it, I can see the ban on consumption, but for possession a legal item (closed no less) like a bottle of wine or a six pack?
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Sun May 20 05:02:49 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 19 21:49:19 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d If they ban the trains they won't have to worry about people carrying/transporting closed containers of wine or beer.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Sun May 20 05:05:15 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by BusMgr on Sat May 19 13:21:54 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d LOL!!!! Oh yes, the "subway Angels". Take a ride on the L train at night. Or the J train. What a crock of SHIT.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Sun May 20 05:06:48 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Fred G on Sat May 19 19:22:18 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The whole thing is ridiculous, as that is a point to keep people from driving. But now they are almost encouraging it, as they are taking away a reason for not driving. And the most asinine thing is that people can't carry a closed bottle of wine or beer onto the train? How do they know they aren't taking it to someone's house? How absurd.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Sun May 20 07:50:24 2012, in response to LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri May 18 23:26:20 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I guess bringing back the smoking cars are out of the question now.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Fred G* on Sun May 20 08:24:53 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 20 05:06:48 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d True, not that I support either ban but it should be limited to open containers. This rule is dumb. your pal, Fred
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Rockparkman* on Sun May 20 11:17:48 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun May 20 07:50:24 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d you should be happy about this. More power for the police.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by 3-9* on Sun May 20 12:18:03 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Rockparkman on Sat May 19 18:54:49 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Like the ones ordered by FEMA? 8-)
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Rockparkman* on Sun May 20 12:44:03 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by 3-9 on Sun May 20 12:18:03 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yes.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun May 20 15:24:35 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun May 20 05:02:49 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d They might have a riot on their hands though.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by WillD* on Sun May 20 17:01:04 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by Fred G on Sat May 19 19:22:18 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d So long as those who do not take personal responsibility for their actions while inebriated are not held accountable for those actions there is no reason for any transit system to cater to their needs. Once they reach the point where they are incapable of caring for themselves they're simply a liability to whatever transit system they happen to be riding on. Maybe if we approached drinking with some maturity we wouldn't see this sort of thing, but unfortunately people erroneously assume that because they're not driving they are absolved of any and all consequences for their intoxication. It's too bad MAD is so autocentric, because they've really done a disservice to the threat the severely intoxicated pose to themselves and others when they enter any hazardous environment.
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Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers
Posted by SUBWAYMAN* on Sun May 20 20:11:05 2012, in response to Re: LIRR Alcohol Ban: End of the Line for Midnight Drinkers, posted by WillD on Sun May 20 17:01:04 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Good post.
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