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1980s paint schemes

Posted by sloth on Mon May 7 13:34:49 2012

I recently picked up 2 books of subway photography-- Tod Lange's "subways and stations" and Paul Cavaliere "from the platform"

The Lange book-- which almost obsessively focuses on R27/30's on the J and M-- has a few paint schemes previously unknown to me.

One is a train of R-16's freshly painted silver, with blue side doors. There is no horizontal blue stripe, so it's not the MTA scheme, and the roof is not painted and therefore rusty and filthy. The only car # visible is 6303, but the entire train appears to be painted the same way.

There is an R-10 (2985 i think) in the yellow work train scheme, as well as a string of R-27's (8196, 8213, 8245).

There's also a train composed of 1 pair of redbird R-29's coupled to a bunch of IRT whitebirds, but this is on the center track of one of the Bronx el's and might be a non-revenue move.

And the Cavaliere book has an R-30 (8392) in the MTA scheme with blue side doors.

I'm thinking of picking up a few more books-- is the Tod Lange graffiti book any good? Or the Morning Sun one?


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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 7 14:08:44 2012, in response to 1980s paint schemes, posted by sloth on Mon May 7 13:34:49 2012.

One is a train of R-16's freshly painted silver, with blue side doors.

No R16 I know of ever got that kind of paintjob. An R4 did, the now restored #491:



Most R16's never got any kind of paintjob after being put back into service in 1980 during the R46 truck problems. Except 6389, which got the blue stripe/silver body scheme of the 70's:





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Posted by Neil Feldman on Mon May 7 20:29:32 2012, in response to 1980s paint schemes, posted by sloth on Mon May 7 13:34:49 2012.

I actually do remember the 16's painted with the blue doors as well as a handful of R40, and 42 also with blue side doors! The R32's had them mostly with the side doors redone with the blue until full GOH took place!

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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 7 21:01:06 2012, in response to Re: 1980s paint schemes, posted by Neil Feldman on Mon May 7 20:29:32 2012.

I don't ever remember seeing an R16 with blue doors. In the mid 80's, the R42's, R32's, etc had a "mini" clean up where the graffiti was removed and doors painted blue inside and out.

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Posted by sloth on Mon May 7 21:01:37 2012, in response to Re: 1980s paint schemes, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 7 14:08:44 2012.

it's just like the R4 except they didn't do the roof line. it's on pages 64-65 of the tod lange book, leaving an outdoor station on the J that appears to curve slightly to the right at the front end of the platform.
i'd guess they painted one train that way, and the vandals got to it pretty quick.

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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 7 21:02:35 2012, in response to 1980s paint schemes, posted by sloth on Mon May 7 13:34:49 2012.

Not painting the roofs was quite common back then. I remember the R27-30's getting mini-clean up paint jobs where the exterior sides were repainted in the silver with blue stripe scheme (which lasted perhaps a week if lucky once out on the road), but the ceilings remained dirty.

They also sometimes painted the interiors (which also lasted a few hours once out on the road), without painting the exterior.

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