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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jun 26 21:17:35 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed May 9 08:02:27 2012.

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by TERRapin station on Tue Jun 26 22:03:42 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jun 26 20:35:25 2012.

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Wrong again Dan Lawrence.

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by TERRapin station on Tue Jun 26 22:11:21 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Tue Jun 26 19:28:59 2012.

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" This happened with the 108th Street "spur" "

How do you know?

"As far as I'm concerned, unless and until someone goes and does either or both of these things AND posts their findings *INCLUDING* clear scans of the specific documentation, anyone bringing up the subject should be instructed how to use Google to find the old threads about it and advised to undertake a verification effort if they want to contribute something new."

Mitch45 will never learn how to do that.

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jun 26 22:13:55 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by TERRapin station on Tue Jun 26 22:03:42 2012.

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YOU are always wrong, Turtle. You are never right, and 95% of chatters can't stand you. What job do you have now since you got sacked?

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 26 22:19:04 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jun 26 22:13:55 2012.

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FALSE.

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jun 26 22:20:13 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Tue Jun 26 19:28:59 2012.

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This is, in my opinion, an excellent and logical post. I checked the 1933 and 1934 editions of the PSC Reports (the latest dates I could find for the moment) and there is very little information of any sort about the IND system. In fact, many of the pages have spaces for such information with IND titles, but they're blank. But I have many other official reports which, when I have the time, I'll try to check out to see if any other IND information might appear.

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by TERRapin station on Tue Jun 26 22:20:45 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jun 26 22:13:55 2012.

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Wrong AGAIN Dan Lawrence!!! LOL!!! You are so unbelievably dumb. I'm actually usually correct and most Subchatters know it. Most Subchatters also know that you are usually wrong.

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 28 16:33:44 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jun 26 22:20:13 2012.

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BLANK DOCUMENTS? Curiouser and curiouser.

I call for a HOUSE investigations and SUBPENA the documents. Hold a hearing and find a scape goat. We can find him in contempt.


ROAR

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 28 16:38:04 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by Joe Saitta on Tue Jun 26 22:20:13 2012.

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At some point, I bought at an ERA auction a very superficial set of plans from circa 1928 for IND development in Bkln's Eastern District and it showed the Fulton St subway continuing along Fulton St out past the Bway Jct area although I forget how far east the subway was to have continued. That would have placed the subway directly under the Fulton St portion of the BMT Jamaica Line rather than under the Pitkin Av portion of the Fulton St El. I also saw a reference somewhere (I can't recall where) that showed as a part of that routing, a connection was to have been made to the Liberty Av portion of the Fulton El as is the present case, but the connection would have been made from north of the el structure rather than from the south as is the present case. It seems, as I have mentioned in several posts on this topic, that the city had not finalized plans for the IND east of Rocky Av until very close to the time of unification in 1940. From the Hagstrom map that appeared on this forum, it seems that the routing along Pitkin was pretty much finalized by 1939 which is the supposed date of the map. In any event it seems that the reason that the 1933 and 34 PSC reports contained little or no info about the Bkln IND is that at that time no firm decision had been made as to what route(s) the IND would ultimately take.

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jun 28 17:20:23 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by TERRapin station on Tue Jun 26 22:20:45 2012.

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If you had a job, Turtle, you would have said so. BTW, Most Subchatters have nothing to do with you.

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Handbrake on Thu Jun 28 22:36:46 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by TERRapin station on Mon Jun 25 22:05:21 2012.

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The recurring saga of 76th Street is to Foamers, as Crack is to a drug addict. It appears that Sub Chat has begun to dry up due to Internet overkill...

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jun 29 10:41:53 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by TERRapin station on Tue Jun 26 22:11:21 2012.

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Don`t you mean the 106st.spur?

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jun 29 11:15:22 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Tue Jun 26 19:28:59 2012.

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good post.you basically said just about everything that I have posted here since I joined up.there was no conspiracy,people read brennan`s post and read it like it was the very word of god himself.as for the water problem,don`t they build pump stations for that.it happened on the irt ext.to flatbush&nostrand.ALL work stopped on the pitkin ave ext.in may of 1942,5 months into WW 2.this is documented in "building the IND" in the last few pages.the yard leads true west to east into pitkin yd.were built apx.1941.I,ve seen the photos.several years ago I spent the entire winter going to every musuem in NYC.as you stated there is very little written about the ind & very few construction photos.library time is up ,talk at a future date.

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Jun 29 11:23:06 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 28 16:38:04 2012.

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Not only did the PSC Reports contain no information about the IND system's Brooklyn lines, they contained very little information about the IND itself, whereas there was much information about the BMT or IND. If you're ever in my area on Long Island, let me know, stop in and take a look at these reports. I'll only show them to someone with a head on their shoulders, such as yourself.

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 29 11:26:50 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by Handbrake on Thu Jun 28 22:36:46 2012.

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Sadly, I must agree!

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 29 11:27:16 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jun 29 11:15:22 2012.

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Tunnelrat has SPOKEN!

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 29 11:28:42 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jun 29 11:15:22 2012.

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You gotta get a PC, man! Enough of these library postings!

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 29 11:29:02 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by Handbrake on Thu Jun 28 22:36:46 2012.

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Or maybe there are better places where some folks wish to spend their time talking trains?

Just sayin...



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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Fri Jun 29 11:57:59 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jun 29 11:15:22 2012.

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Pumping stations only work up to a point...and also depend upon being able to send the water elsewhere in a cost-justifiable manner.

Anyone have hydro or geological profiles of that area?

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 29 13:20:02 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 28 16:38:04 2012.

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That makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 29 13:31:02 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by TERRapin station on Tue Jun 26 22:11:21 2012.

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bump

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 29 13:31:12 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Jun 29 10:41:53 2012.

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Don't ask me.

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by GIS Man on Fri Jun 29 15:59:27 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Fri Jun 29 11:57:59 2012.

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No, but even into the 1960's there was an man-built inlet of Jamaica Bay coming pretty close. It ran down what is now 79th St and crossed under Linden Blvd. The 1924 photos should show it going further north.

Bob

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 29 17:50:36 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by GIS Man on Fri Jun 29 15:59:27 2012.

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That could be the reason why the subway infrastructure is described as ending at 79 St. The inlet may have been presumed to have been dried up and when the contractors attempted to dig past that point they may have discovered that it wasn't . Water problems in the area have been cited in several sources as the reason why construction was halted past that point.

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jun 30 04:16:28 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 29 17:50:36 2012.

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Water indeed....

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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jun 30 10:26:50 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jun 30 04:16:28 2012.

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Well, that place used to be the mouth of the Hudson River (once upon a time).



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Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?

Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jun 30 21:12:08 2012, in response to Re: 76th Street Station - Photos?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jun 30 10:26:50 2012.

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That area, has had it's level, raised several times. If one were to go to the three Jewish Cemeteries, On Liberty Ave, the one on the western edge will reveal the depth and various levels down to the original level.
Consider the turn off of Pitkin Ave of the Old Fulton Line taking it to Liberty ave. Ask yourself "Why?"

Answer, to get to more customers, and avoid subsoil problems.
Back in the day, had the Fulton El continued on Pitkin Ave. that area was farm land. The population was north.

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