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Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab |
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Posted by Jace on Wed Apr 11 10:35:16 2012, in response to GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by znufrii on Tue Apr 10 09:44:14 2012. The report really doesn't say much new, but that's the whole point. Lautenberg most likely asked for the report just to put the spotlight on Christie. Not surprising since Christie cancelled a major, major project pushed through by Lautenberg.When Christie pulled the plug on ARC he scored big time (at least short term) by making himself look fiscally conservative on a national scale at the expense of the democrats (especially Lautenberg) while also avoiding a tax increase to bail out the highway fund (a time bomb left to him by Corzine). It appeared to be a very shrewd move but he also took a huge gamble. Massive projects like this almost never get cancelled as there's too much money and political capital involved. Christie is going to face continuing repercussions. Any service problems on the Jersey side of Penn will ultimately be blamed on him, putting him in the position where he can now be held hostage by NJT's or Amtrak's failures/ineptitiude - something I find very ironic. It'll be interesting to see how well his party covers his back once these meltdowns occur: thousands of angry voters on trains trapped in the aging tunnels. Now imagine if someone gets hurt or worse, is killed. Politics as usual... |
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Posted by The Silence on Wed Apr 11 11:47:46 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by WillD on Wed Apr 11 00:59:25 2012. You were of course personally involved in the project and thus privy to the internal discussions that would lead you to this conclusion, right?It made the freaking news, idiot. the entire conversations I was a part of when the tunnel was first cancled are playing out in my head, I remmember them almost word for word. Stop being a partisan hack. Oh, I'M a partisan hack? Everyone goes after christie over the tunnel issues and I'M the partisan hack? |
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Quinnipiac: Christie's approval rating soaring |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 11 12:21:47 2012, in response to GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by znufrii on Tue Apr 10 09:44:14 2012. I was going to put this in OT, but since we have a Christie related thread here, I thought why not:http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/new-jersey/release-detail?ReleaseID=1735 New Jersey voters still approve 59 - 36 percent of the job Christie is doing, his best score ever. Approval is 92 - 6 percent among Republicans and 64 - 32 percent among independent voters There's a slew of other polls out today which will is going to frustrate the butts of many on here, but I will leave that for OT. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Apr 11 13:15:11 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Rockparkman on Tue Apr 10 18:53:36 2012. No, that's where the Flying Saucers are built, silly rabbit. |
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Re: Quinnipiac: Christie's approval rating soaring |
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Posted by znufrii on Wed Apr 11 13:57:33 2012, in response to Quinnipiac: Christie's approval rating soaring, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 11 12:21:47 2012. so what's your point, that the voters of NJ are as dumb as their governor? |
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Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Wed Apr 11 16:44:49 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by WillD on Wed Apr 11 00:59:25 2012. Will, Silence is a business owner. |
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Re: Quinnipiac: Christie's approval rating soaring |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Wed Apr 11 16:49:28 2012, in response to Re: Quinnipiac: Christie's approval rating soaring, posted by znufrii on Wed Apr 11 13:57:33 2012. I think that crap headbang music has fucked Chris's pea brain up. |
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Posted by The Silence on Wed Apr 11 17:25:24 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Rockparkman on Wed Apr 11 16:44:49 2012. wrong, try again |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 11 17:46:10 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Rockparkman on Wed Apr 11 16:44:49 2012. |
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Posted by blue8irt on Wed Apr 11 20:50:24 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Rockparkman on Tue Apr 10 19:50:09 2012. Exactly. |
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Krugman bloviates (GAO blah Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 14 16:10:04 2012, in response to GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by znufrii on Tue Apr 10 09:44:14 2012. The fellow just can't think straight, with that super-partisan bent. Your paper already admitted to $10 million in costs, which vindicates Christie endlessly; the papers before and during the cancellation kept saying "$7.5 billion, $7.5 billion". Funny he says absolutely nothing about the "retirements" of the Comet IIIs and ALP-44s . . . mustn't be important to him.NY Slimes, his home
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 14 17:13:53 2012, in response to Krugman bloviates (GAO blah Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 14 16:10:04 2012. Comparisons with midwest projects aren't valid. He just sees Republican governors killing rail projects, not knowing details of each. |
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Slobo sucking Reagan loving Son of a WHORE vandalizes threads again. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sat Apr 14 19:08:38 2012, in response to Krugman bloviates (GAO blah Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 14 16:10:04 2012. ESAD, SCUMBAG. |
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Krugman bloviates (GAO blah Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 14 19:14:06 2012, in response to Slobo sucking Reagan loving Son of a WHORE vandalizes threads again., posted by Rockparkman on Sat Apr 14 19:08:38 2012. Wow, you really must want someone to dismember you or something. You really hate yourself that much? |
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Re: Slobo sucking Reagan loving Son of a WHORE vandalizes threads again. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Apr 14 19:17:03 2012, in response to Slobo sucking Reagan loving Son of a WHORE vandalizes threads again., posted by Rockparkman on Sat Apr 14 19:08:38 2012. Tourets syndrome example |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sat Apr 14 19:19:55 2012, in response to Re: Slobo sucking Reagan loving Son of a WHORE vandalizes threads again., posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Apr 14 19:17:03 2012. Ah, another Nazi heard from. |
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Re: Krugman bloviates (GAO blah Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah) |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sat Apr 14 19:20:37 2012, in response to Krugman bloviates (GAO blah Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 14 19:14:06 2012. Is that a threat, gutless Churchill lover? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 14 19:21:50 2012, in response to Re: Krugman bloviates (GAO blah Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah), posted by Rockparkman on Sat Apr 14 19:20:37 2012. No punk fears threats.BTW, you and Krugman hate trains. |
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Re: Krugman bloviates (GAO blah Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 14 19:22:51 2012, in response to Re: Krugman bloviates (GAO blah Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah), posted by Rockparkman on Sat Apr 14 19:20:37 2012. Only punks fear threats. Don't be a punk.BTW, you and Krugman hate trains. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Apr 14 22:54:23 2012, in response to Krugman bloviates (GAO blah Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 14 16:10:04 2012. Your paper already admitted to $10 million in costs,which vindicates Christie endlessly; the papers before and during the cancellation kept saying "$7.5 billion,$7.5 billion".Sometimes, I honestly have to wonder if even you believe what you post. First, the number quoted was 8.7 Billion, NOT 7.5. Second, all these estimates were performed PRIOR to completion of design. Therefore, they were always rough estimates, and that was why there was a higher end of those estimates, which according to NJT was 10 Billion, and according to FTA was 12.4 (or .5. I can't remember). However, Christie based his decision to cancel the tunnel on what he claimed were estimates that reached as high as 14B. The GAO has essentially stated that no such estimate existed, and Christie has not denied that claim. Therefore, the 10B number does nothing to vindicate Christie. BTW, if Christie cared about solving this issue, he would not have cancelled the project, and would have instead value engineered the project, perhaps even re-routing the new tunnels to NYP and building new platforms there. But he didn't. His aim was clearly to use the money to fix NJ's roads. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 15 07:35:58 2012, in response to Re: Krugman bloviates (GAO blah Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah), posted by J trainloco on Sat Apr 14 22:54:23 2012. On projects of this magnitude like Central Artery, SAS, and ESA, cost escalations occur well into construction. With ARC, they hadn't done a thing, and already upper-end limits of $10B - $12B depending on who you listen to. It easily could have wound up being $20B.Central Artery was supposed to be $2B or $4B, don't remember, turned out to be $16B, and it is indebted thru 2038. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Apr 15 09:03:59 2012, in response to Re: Krugman bloviates (GAO blah Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah), posted by J trainloco on Sat Apr 14 22:54:23 2012. We need more Manhattan access NOW, Not SUBsidies for SUBurban losers. If they want their SUVs they can PAY for the privilege. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 17:27:32 2012, in response to Re: Krugman bloviates (GAO blah Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah), posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 15 07:35:58 2012. Central artery is the worst possible example.7 west extension is an example of a project with a budget that has stayed on budget. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 15 18:58:19 2012, in response to Re: Krugman bloviates (GAO blah Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah), posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 17:27:32 2012. Other than dropping 10th Ave station, yes. It can be done, but not with NJT in charge, given the time-consuming fiasco they made of child's play projects like sidings in WhiteHouse or along the Pascack. |
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