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GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab |
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Posted by znufrii on Tue Apr 10 09:44:14 2012 Did he ever pay back the federal money he had already spent? |
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Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Apr 10 13:33:01 2012, in response to GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by znufrii on Tue Apr 10 09:44:14 2012. This is a bit suprising to me, because I didn't think Christie would lie about this. All the more ridiculous that he canceled it in the name of 'fiscal prudence'. I particularly like the line that he stated NJ taxpayers would be on the hook for 70 percent of the costs when it was really only 14. Haha. |
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Posted by znufrii on Tue Apr 10 14:34:49 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by J trainloco on Tue Apr 10 13:33:01 2012. It was a cash grab, plain and simple, so he could avoid raising the gas tax. |
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Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 10 14:53:12 2012, in response to GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by znufrii on Tue Apr 10 09:44:14 2012. The GAO report is rubbish. The number Christie used to justify the cancellation of the project was accepted by everyone as being realistic.Stop being a tool for NYT propaganda. |
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Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Apr 10 15:07:36 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 10 14:53:12 2012. So the NYT is propaganda for reporting on an actual GAO report that casts a politician that you happen to have a hard on for in a negative light. Let me guess, Fox News is your source on this. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Apr 10 15:08:29 2012, in response to GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by znufrii on Tue Apr 10 09:44:14 2012. The project needed to be cancelled, but the $4 billion needed to have been used for a tunnel that went somewhere other than Macy's basement. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 15:09:30 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Apr 10 15:08:29 2012. Aw, c'mon . . . you know that $4 billion on two single-track tunnels is just too low for today's politicians . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 15:10:39 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Apr 10 15:07:36 2012. No, that's not it at all. Stop being so ridiculously partisan. What makes you think that anyone on "the right" likes Christie for his liberal stances, never mind plowing ahead with the secondary option for MLVs and ALP-45DPs? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 15:11:14 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 10 14:53:12 2012. The GAO report is rubbishJust like government accounting has been for a long time. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 15:12:39 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by J trainloco on Tue Apr 10 13:33:01 2012. I didn't think Christie would lie about thisI'd say he wouldn't. The federal government I'd expect to lie, frankly. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Apr 10 15:25:57 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 15:11:14 2012. You know in the real world not everything is a lie or conspiracy. If nobody can be trusted to do their job what do you suggest for an alternative? Sit around in gated communities shooting outsiders for food? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 10 17:21:32 2012, in response to GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by znufrii on Tue Apr 10 09:44:14 2012. GAO reports are often bias towards the demands of the requester, in this case, Lautenberg. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 10 17:51:36 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 15:10:39 2012. Well then HANG his skeevy ass ... but you're defending him ... hmmmm. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 10 17:53:20 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 10 17:51:36 2012. Oh wait ... I don't think they make cranes with that kind of lift capacity anymore since the GG-1's left the railroad. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 10 17:54:10 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Apr 10 15:25:57 2012. Dig deeper, young grasshopper, and load your own ammo. :) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 10 18:13:42 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 15:12:39 2012. its a good thing you are wrong,as usual. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 10 18:16:28 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 10 17:53:20 2012. 100 tones of shit in his diapers..and he still insists on being a stooge. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Apr 10 18:19:47 2012, in response to GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by znufrii on Tue Apr 10 09:44:14 2012. Not surprising to say the least. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Apr 10 18:23:53 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 10 18:13:42 2012. The feds lie to cover thier ass every friggen day. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Apr 10 18:24:28 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 15:12:39 2012. It's just proof that GOP Nazis will lie, cheat and steal to stop all rail projects. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 10 18:24:51 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 10 18:16:28 2012. And I'm sure Joe Piscopo is proud. :) |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Apr 10 18:25:45 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by The Silence on Tue Apr 10 18:23:53 2012. BULLSHIT. even the Pentagon now realizes that the GOP Nazis are the enemy. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 10 18:25:55 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by The Silence on Tue Apr 10 18:23:53 2012. And so do certain states. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Apr 10 18:27:07 2012, in response to GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by znufrii on Tue Apr 10 09:44:14 2012. When the ARC project was still active, it's finacines were so messed up, one of these federal agencies suggested New Jersey ask the "can't-stick-to-a-budget-to-save-their-lives" MTA for tips and help for getting everything in line.and that's Corzine's fault, not Christie's |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 10 18:30:54 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 15:09:30 2012. awwhh c'mon..you know that money should have gone back to the feds for something more important than helping you get lower gas prices. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 10 18:32:32 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by The Silence on Tue Apr 10 18:23:53 2012. not as well as the state of new jersey! |
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Posted by kp5308 on Tue Apr 10 18:38:06 2012, in response to GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by znufrii on Tue Apr 10 09:44:14 2012. OOOOOK...why has this little tidbit been lost in the dust of the chase to paddle Christie:A spokesman for the governor, Michael Drewniak, said Mr. Christie’s statement of costs had included $775 million to build a new portal bridge, which was required as part of the project. The 70 percent state share, he said, included the costs that would have been paid for by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which is run by both states, as well as federal highway and stimulus funds earmarked for New Jersey. Counting those costs, which the report does not do, would put the state’s share at 65.5 percent. I'll tell you why: It may well be true so it needs to be! So we are left with is what is this story about... partisan hackery or what is (was) the real cost gonna be to the state? Given the NYT's history, I'll wager that if Drewniak's statement above is valid & the GAO is not including all the costs associated with the project & Christie is NOT exaggerating we will never hear about it. If it is the opposite we certainly will :o) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Apr 10 18:43:23 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by kp5308 on Tue Apr 10 18:38:06 2012. Since when should all the costs incurred by the PA be charged to NJ? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Apr 10 18:43:41 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 10 14:53:12 2012. The GAO report is rubbish. The number Christie used to justify the cancellation of the project was accepted by everyone as being realistic.Accepted by who? Who else had access to the existing planning and contract documents and performed an independent analysis to verify this? The article pretty clearly states 2 things: 1, that the estimate was never truly revised to reflect that it went from a low end of 8.7B and high end of 10B to a low end of 11B and high end of 14B. Christie's spokesperson does not deny this. 2, that the claim bandied about that NJ taxpayers would be on the hook for 70 percent of the cost of the project was patently false. The article states that the number was actually 14.4 percent. Christie's office does deny this claim, but he does so by saying that the 70 percent number also represents the money from PANYNJ (definitely not NJ taxpayers), and money from the feds for the project that could be expended on highways and roads. Christie himself isn't denying the report, so why should anyone else? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Apr 10 18:44:15 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 10 14:53:12 2012. NYT? They didn't write the report. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Apr 10 18:45:11 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 10 17:21:32 2012. Proof? |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Apr 10 18:46:40 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Rockparkman on Tue Apr 10 18:25:45 2012. ok then, ask the pentagon about thier nice little airstip in the Nevada desert and what they do there. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Apr 10 18:46:53 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by kp5308 on Tue Apr 10 18:38:06 2012. It's just proof that GOP Nazis will lie, cheat and steal to stop all rail projects. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Apr 10 18:53:36 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by The Silence on Tue Apr 10 18:46:40 2012. Area 51? They build 4000 MPH Aurora super planes. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Apr 10 18:54:21 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by The Silence on Tue Apr 10 18:46:40 2012. Area 51? They build 4000 MPH Aurora super planes. Nary an alien saucer in sight. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Apr 10 18:59:49 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by kp5308 on Tue Apr 10 18:38:06 2012. What are you getting at? That PANYNJ money and Federal highway and stimulus funding are somehow costs borne by the state of NJ? I think it's pretty clear that's fishy accounting. |
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GAO writes biased report for Lautenberg (Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 18:59:58 2012, in response to GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by znufrii on Tue Apr 10 09:44:14 2012. Pertinent paragraph.Skewed from the start. Not even Ray LaHood could fault Christie, going back to when ARC was buried. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 19:00:45 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 10 17:21:32 2012. +∞ |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Apr 10 19:02:26 2012, in response to GAO writes biased report for Lautenberg (Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 18:59:58 2012. Christie himself is not denying the report. So... |
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Government Accountability office catches GOP Nazi in an anti rail lie. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Apr 10 19:16:32 2012, in response to GAO writes biased report for Lautenberg (Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 18:59:58 2012. Now they need to investigate the $125 million Ferry boondoogle at Hoboken. |
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Posted by blue8irt on Tue Apr 10 19:35:01 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 15:12:39 2012. He pulled a conservative move and took money that was not his to take. Republicans love to steal and then brag about how they ripped off Americans. This is proof. |
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Posted by blue8irt on Tue Apr 10 19:38:46 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by The Silence on Tue Apr 10 18:23:53 2012. The Feds didn't lie. Christie is such a cool guy. He thinks this will blow away. Well, New Jersey wanted him so badly. Corzine embezzled from his customers and Christie did it to hos constituents. He should be made to pay his share. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Apr 10 19:49:06 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by Rockparkman on Tue Apr 10 18:54:21 2012. they won't tell you, for decades they were lying and saying it wasn't there at all. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Apr 10 19:50:09 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by blue8irt on Tue Apr 10 19:38:46 2012. The Feds should shove this project up New Jersey's ass. build it, then send the two states the bills and FUCK the know-it-all foamers who say it won't work. |
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Re: GAO writes biased report for Lautenberg (Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah) |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Apr 10 19:56:22 2012, in response to GAO writes biased report for Lautenberg (Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 18:59:58 2012. Yes, key word being REQUEST, not DONE BY. Im glad you know how to read. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Tue Apr 10 20:03:59 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by The Silence on Tue Apr 10 19:49:06 2012. Look up the term OPSEC and get back to me. |
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Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab |
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Posted by kp5308 on Tue Apr 10 21:57:42 2012, in response to GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by znufrii on Tue Apr 10 09:44:14 2012. Uhhh, the payback amount was settled last September |
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Posted by kp5308 on Tue Apr 10 22:05:06 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by italianstallion on Tue Apr 10 18:43:23 2012. Since when should all the costs incurred by the PA be charged to NJ?My guess is that NY publicly stated that they would not contribute to the project. Anybody got any links to this question? |
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Re: GAO writes biased report for Lautenberg (Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 11 00:07:28 2012, in response to GAO writes biased report for Lautenberg (Christie blah blah blah ARC blah blah), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 10 18:59:58 2012. So? GAO reports are usually done at someone's request. There is no correlation between the politics of the requestors and the outcome of the reports. |
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Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Apr 11 00:59:25 2012, in response to Re: GAO nails Christie for exaggerating costs ARC cash grab, posted by The Silence on Tue Apr 10 18:27:07 2012. When the ARC project was still active, it's finacines were so messed up, one of these federal agencies suggested New Jersey ask the "can't-stick-to-a-budget-to-save-their-lives" MTA for tips and help for getting everything in line.You were of course personally involved in the project and thus privy to the internal discussions that would lead you to this conclusion, right? and that's Corzine's fault, not Christie's . Stop being a partisan hack. |
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