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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 25 11:42:10 2012, in response to TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jan 25 11:38:06 2012. That's a crime, threatening an illegal action. I believe it's called extortion. When's the MTA gonna stop pussyfooting around and enforce the law? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jan 25 12:09:37 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 25 11:42:10 2012. TWU hasn't gone on strike... what are they going to enforce?Keep quiet on things you nothing about. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 25 12:34:09 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jan 25 12:09:37 2012. Keep quiet on things you nothing about.Hey its his opinion not saying that i agree with his thoughts on the matter.... |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 25 12:40:58 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 25 11:42:10 2012. The law was enforced some years back, no? The union was fined millions of dollars and the leaders went to jail.If the TWU is threatening another strike, they can expect the same or worse treatment. If they want to commit the crime, they can expect to do the time. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Jan 25 13:30:33 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 25 11:42:10 2012. How about saying "I wouldn't mind putting a couple of rounds in TurdSpitter's forehead." Is that a crime, too?TWU didn't say it WAS GOING on strike, they said they would not rule one out. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 25 13:49:31 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 25 12:40:58 2012. It hasn't been fully enforced. Threatening to jail anyone who participates in an illegal strike is what's needed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 25 13:50:24 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Jan 25 13:30:33 2012. They don't have a fucking choice. Striking is illegal. That's like saying "I haven't decided whether I will rob that bank or not". |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 25 13:56:56 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 25 12:40:58 2012. They threatened to jail Roger Toussaint but they never did. The fines hurt the union but not nearly as much as the loss of the dues check off which nearly destroyed the union. Toussaint had to go, hat in hand, to beg for reinstatement of the dues checkoff. BTW: The last TWU president jailed was Michael Quill who actually died in jail IIRC. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 25 14:18:12 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 25 13:56:56 2012. Quill did NOT die in jail. He was released when the 1966 strike ended, made an appearance at a mass meeting of TWU at Manhattan Center and died a few days later. |
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Posted by Allan on Wed Jan 25 14:36:51 2012, in response to TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jan 25 11:38:06 2012. "but philosophically, we believe we have the right to strike.”Nice but philosophy won't stand up in a court of law. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 25 15:54:41 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 25 14:18:12 2012. I stand corrected. He had a heart attack in jail but died 3 days after the strike was settled. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 25 20:31:20 2012, in response to TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jan 25 11:38:06 2012. He did see the state of the union right and what's going on in the country?? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Jan 25 20:40:21 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 25 11:42:10 2012. When's the MTA gonna stop pussyfooting around and enforce the law?MTA is not a law enforcement agency. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Jan 25 21:19:01 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 25 13:56:56 2012. Mr. Toussaint was sentenced to 10 days in jail, which began on April 25, 2006. However, due to good behavior, he was set free on April 28.On November 10, 2008, a State Supreme Court judge reinstated the Transport Workers Union's dues checkoff. The privilege was stripped from the union as a penalty for its illegal three-day strike in December 2005. The city's Law Department says it will not stand in the way of the ruling because the union has pledged not to conduct illegal transit strikes in the future. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 25 21:20:41 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Jan 25 21:19:01 2012. Thank you. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Jan 25 21:22:28 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 25 21:20:41 2012. Quite welcome. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Jan 25 21:23:52 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 25 13:50:24 2012. "I haven't decided whether I will rob that bank or not".No foul or crime committed there, either. Maybe the crime of indecision..... |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Jan 25 21:24:58 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by J trainloco on Wed Jan 25 20:40:21 2012. MTA is not a law enforcement agency.But they DO have their own Police force.... |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Jan 26 00:48:53 2012, in response to TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jan 25 11:38:06 2012. if they strike, they should stay out for at least 2 weeks... |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 26 14:14:52 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by monorail on Thu Jan 26 00:48:53 2012. Actually, a European type of strategy could be employed whereby rather than a single prolonged strike, the union would call sporadic last minute one day strikes giving the city no time to prepare for it. There is usually no rhyme or reason to the strikes which is why there would be insufficient time to prepare for one. If at the end of such a one day strike or strikes, the MTA refused to allow the employees back to work, then it would be considered a lockout and the blame would now fall on the MTA rather than the union for the lack of service. |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Jan 26 14:57:21 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 25 20:31:20 2012. He probably didn't understand any of it.Or he does understand it but has a (pardon the pun) one-track mind and doesn't care as long as he and the TWU gets more money. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 26 16:44:50 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 26 14:14:52 2012. "Wildcats" would be every bit as unlawful under Taylor as giving them time to get home before everything stops. Same for enforcing the rulebook to the letter. I kinda like how the bus guys are handling it by showing up for the prep at the scheduled time rather than being nice and coming in early so the bus can leave on time. I don't see how MTA can do anything about that since they were doing the MTA a favor prior. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 26 17:34:31 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 26 16:44:50 2012. I'm not talking about "wildcats" which are not union sanctioned, I'm talking about carefully planned one day walkouts. While they may not be legal, they would be more frustrating than a prolonged strike since the employees would probably be back to work voluntarily before the ink dried on any back to work orders and the MTA would never know when the next one would take place so it would be next to impossible to plan for it. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 26 17:34:41 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 26 16:44:50 2012. I'm not talking about "wildcats" which are not union sanctioned, I'm talking about carefully planned one day walkouts. While they may not be legal, they would be more frustrating than a prolonged strike since the employees would probably be back to work voluntarily before the ink dried on any back to work orders and the MTA would never know when the next one would take place so it would be next to impossible to plan for it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 26 17:55:28 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 26 17:34:31 2012. Some wildcats ARE union-sanctioned. I remember the 70's with CWA and AT&T Long lines. Foreman would come along and say "coffee break" and hand out signs. :)Taylor law though has all those goodies covered in depth and you just know the birds at home base would just do a lockout by shutting it down. I honestly don't know of any way for them to bring the pain beyond the trick those bus drivers are doing. I could imagine that even taking your time on your two minutes of prep to check those snow blocks and paint would be seen to be a "rulebook slowdown" under the law even if there's good reason to do it. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 26 20:25:40 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by monorail on Thu Jan 26 00:48:53 2012. That's great to say and it sounds forceful and all but most TWU members can not afford to take a 6 week hit on their bank accounts. The MTA and the City of NY know this. There are no good defenses to the Taylor Law. |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Jan 26 20:39:32 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jan 26 20:25:40 2012. after 2 weeks out, i'm 98% certain the city would not hit them with taylor law penalties... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 01:27:42 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Jan 25 21:23:52 2012. why is it a "crime" to strike?I think that option should be on the table for worker if unfair treatment is prevalent.. my question here is..is there "unfair treatment" to pursue such an action,and if["IF", for those with reading comprehension problems]there is..are they willing to deal with then unpopular effect of one? |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jan 27 03:33:11 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 01:27:42 2012. Simple answer: Taylor Law. 2 days fine for every day out. Means a 2 day strike costs the worker 6 days pay. 3 days out is 9 days pay. Loss of days pay + 2 days fine. Gets REAL expensive real fast.Other consideration: Presient Reagan's handling of the Air Traffic Controller strike. Fired EVERYONE of them and then blackballed them on top of it. Almost took the word 'strike' out of Labor's lexicon. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jan 27 03:35:32 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jan 27 03:33:11 2012. Ooops! Presient Reagan's should be President Reagan's. Call off the SubChat Cops! I surrender! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 04:10:38 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jan 27 03:33:11 2012. I feel you... making it hard to "strike" plus shitting on your work force/threatening to replace them with scabs is a fly in the face of the LABOR in and of itself.. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 27 04:12:10 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 04:10:38 2012. You can thank what gets elected lately for that. Once upon a time, "public service" was held in high regard. :( |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 04:25:28 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 27 04:12:10 2012. hell..my union was shit..and still is to this day[you KNOW WHO I'm talking about!]but they did keep us rolling with FIRSTCRAP came along with their brand of crap. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 27 04:40:50 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 04:25:28 2012. I'm sure you were with it long enough to remember when unions not only took care of the workers, but also the employer in making sure that their members perfected their craft to the benefit of the employer. Looks like all sides of the equation are in the shitter these days. :( |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 08:52:36 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 27 04:40:50 2012. Oh yeah..they drilled me till my hands bled..and taught me how to be a professional at ALL TIMES.[No head scratching..eyes on the road.BOTH HANDS on the wheel..safety checks completely around..blah blah ..great place to work..good people to work with..almost up to the end. |
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Posted by Jeromeline on Fri Jan 27 13:13:12 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jan 27 03:33:11 2012. You have your math wrong. The worker loses 2 days pay. He loses pay for the day/s he's not at work and then gets fined a days pay on top of that for a total of 2 days pay. 3 days out equals at net loss of 6 days pay.From Wikipedia ( because I'm too lazy to read the whole law) One of the most controversial parts of the Taylor Law is Section 210, which prohibits New York state public employees from striking, compelling binding PERB arbitration in the event of an impasse in negotiations. The fine for striking is an additional day of pay for each day of a strike, totaling two days' loss for each strike day. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 27 15:44:07 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 26 17:55:28 2012. ONce the MTA shut down and did a lockout, that would take the onus off the union since the members showing up at their respective reporting locations would indicate their willingness to return to work. At that point, federal law regarding lockouts could possibly kick in. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 27 16:33:04 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Jeromeline on Fri Jan 27 13:13:12 2012. I think it's you who may have the math wrong. The way I understand it, the employee is docked for the day he does not work and fined two days pay for the illegal strike. 1 + 2 = 3 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 27 18:48:20 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 08:52:36 2012. And then the Scots came in. Yep ... know the story from others who used to work for Berardi. :( |
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Posted by irt1958 on Fri Jan 27 20:43:00 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 25 14:18:12 2012. It was ironic, due to just a day or so before he told brand new mayor John Lindsay to drop dead. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Jan 27 20:58:02 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by irt1958 on Fri Jan 27 20:43:00 2012. "The judge can drop dead in his black robes!" |
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Posted by Jeromeline on Fri Jan 27 21:42:35 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 27 16:33:04 2012. From the NYS PERB Statute aka Taylor Law Sec.210 (f)Payroll deductions. Not earlier than thirty nor later than ninety days following the date of such determination, the chief fiscal officer of the government involved shall deduct from the compensation of each such public employee an amount equal to twice his daily rate of pay for each day or part thereof that it was determined that he had violated this subdivision; such rate of pay to be computed as of the time of such violation. In computing such deduction, credit shall be allowed for amounts already withheld from such employee's compensation on account of his absence from work or other withholding of services on such day or days. In computing the aforesaid thirty to ninety day period of time following the determination of a violation As it states 2 days pay withheld with credit given for money already withheld due to the employees absence. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 28 03:08:47 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by irt1958 on Fri Jan 27 20:43:00 2012. He deliberately referred to the mayor as "Mayor Linsley" but it was the judge that he told to drop bead in his black robes, |
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Posted by irt1958 on Sun Jan 29 09:46:27 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by merrick1 on Fri Jan 27 20:58:02 2012. You're right. Now I remember that thick Irish brogue when he said that. Well I least I remembered it half right. Thanks for setting my memory straight. |
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Posted by irt1958 on Sun Jan 29 09:49:46 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jan 28 03:08:47 2012. Yeah I was in James Madison high school during that time (had to walk to a different school) and remember he hated "Linsley" with a passion. In spite of it all my dad thought it was well worth it since conditions for transit workers (he was a construction flagman) were pretty brutal to say the least. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Jan 29 16:53:00 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by irt1958 on Sun Jan 29 09:49:46 2012. Conditions for flaggers were brutal? Do tell. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Jan 29 17:16:21 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by merrick1 on Fri Jan 27 20:58:02 2012. Wasn't that when he ripped up that court injunction?Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by irt1958 on Mon Jan 30 18:28:16 2012, in response to Re: TWU 100 won’t rule out strike, posted by J trainloco on Sun Jan 29 16:53:00 2012. In the 40s and 50s conditions (and wages) were bad for most rank and file transit workers considering the work they had to perform. That was the gist of my comments of of those times. Quill was a good man who made sincere efforts to improve the especially bad overall conditions of black and other minority transit workers. |
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