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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Nov 12 09:19:37 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Fred G on Sat Nov 12 08:34:42 2011. Yes, and Forest Park is right there, a huge park. To use the ROW for that, with the amount of vegetation on it, would just be an invitation to muggers, rapists, and all sorts of criminal activity. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 12 10:13:41 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 11 22:22:18 2011. I don't know whether any trail has been lost completely, but I've heard several trails have restored rail service alongside an improved trail (i.e., share the r-o-w). |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 12 10:16:11 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Nov 11 21:50:28 2011. The trailists would just never allow it.I agree ... BUT ... the railroads keep title in a rails-to-trails. If this is shown to be a legal fiction, then you have Catch-22. Landowners could then reclaim their easements and there could be no rail, no trail. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 12 12:44:09 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by SLRT on Sat Nov 12 10:16:11 2011. the railroads keep title in a rails-to-trailsThe conservancy seems convinced that they are former rail lines. Only in the case of railbanking does the railroad retain anything. |
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Posted by jabrams on Sat Nov 12 20:18:40 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Fred G on Sat Nov 12 08:34:42 2011. Remember, in Queens there is practically a continuous east west park already. Parts of the row already border a park. If you want a park, level the row and make a ground level park. The High Line was an elevated row on a trestle, The Rockaway line only has trestles for the avenues it crosses, the rest is packed soil. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Nov 13 07:31:51 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 12 12:44:09 2011. I'm looking at their site where it says "Because a railbanked corridor is not considered abandoned, it can be sold, leased or donated to a trail manager without reverting to adjacent landowners."So does that mean that in cases where trails aren't railbanked, they've settled with local landowners? I know lots of owners don't seem to be happy with trails near their properties. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Nov 13 08:59:14 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 11 13:07:52 2011. When Moshiach comes. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Nov 13 09:26:18 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Nov 12 09:19:37 2011. That's what I was thinking. Plus when that part of Queens develops (and it probably won't be that long) they'd be sorry they got rid of a main transit artery like that.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Nov 13 10:15:47 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by randyo on Fri Nov 11 15:06:03 2011. And that could certainly happen.The casino portion is by far the largest on the east coast and the only one accessible by subway so easily. Perhaps people in parts of Queens on the ROW who want to go to the Racino will put enough pressure to make it happen. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Nov 13 10:18:33 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Nov 11 19:13:05 2011. That is an excellent idea.They can get rid of the poison ivy and at the same time build first a new ROW for the subway and then the park above that. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 13 10:35:30 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Nov 13 08:59:14 2011. No, you're going to start today. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Nov 13 12:46:40 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Nov 13 10:15:47 2011. The casino portion is by far the largest on the east coastI find that hard to believe. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Nov 13 12:48:26 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by SLRT on Sun Nov 13 07:31:51 2011. Not every railroad charter states that if the line is abandoned it "reverts to the adjoining property owners". I would probably say it's a safe bet that most don't. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Nov 13 13:56:56 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Nov 13 10:15:47 2011. proof its the largest. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Nov 13 15:48:57 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Nov 13 12:48:26 2011. I'm not certain that has to be in a railroad's charter. Easement agreements gave a railroad permission to use someone else's land as r-o-w in exchange for a promise of continuing service. If the service ended, so did the easement. That way a railroad couldn't end up selling someone else's land for a non-railroad purpose. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Nov 13 19:36:26 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by SLRT on Sun Nov 13 15:48:57 2011. But all these charters, easements, and property ownership were not all made in the same ways. The railroad wasn't on an easement in many cases, they owned the land. |
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Posted by The Queen on Mon Nov 14 11:50:30 2011, in response to Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 01:24:42 2011. What if the Aqueduct Racino ends up becoming a major hit in the area?I know service cant be restored overnight for that ROW, but maybe some sort of Subway expansion from the Queens Blvd Corridor or a branch of the LIRR mainline ending at Aqueduct? Yeah, I know. Pipe Dream |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 14 12:45:55 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by The Queen on Mon Nov 14 11:50:30 2011. What if the Aqueduct Racino ends up becoming a major hit in the area? Existing and/or increased subway service wouldn't be able to handle it? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 14 13:27:32 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by The Queen on Mon Nov 14 11:50:30 2011. Nothing that can't be solved with full A service, of which the line only gets Half. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 14 13:28:09 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 14 13:27:32 2011. For example, if even the Airport access couldn't get a revival of the Rockaway Branch up and running, a Casino certainly isn't either. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 14 13:37:00 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 14 13:28:09 2011. I wouldn't say that. Airport access and casino access are very different with different interested parties. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 14 16:08:52 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Nov 14 13:28:09 2011. Direct Airport service was needed. The PANY(NJ) still bars the way to that, for some bizarre reason. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Nov 14 22:24:53 2011, in response to Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 01:24:42 2011. ew |
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Posted by The Queen on Tue Nov 15 12:06:45 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 14 12:45:55 2011. I typed 'major hit' meaning if business BOOMS, skyrockets, etc.What about weekend G.O.s that suspend A/C service between Utica and Jay Street ? Granted it hasn't happened in a long time, but there is always a possibility. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 15 14:16:54 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by The Queen on Tue Nov 15 12:06:45 2011. I typed 'major hit' meaning if business BOOMS, skyrockets, etc. Yes, that's how I understood it when I read it and wrote my response (and asked my question back to you). What about weekend G.O.s that suspend A/C service between Utica and Jay Street ? Granted it hasn't happened in a long time, but there is always a possibility. That could be a legitimate concern. The shuttle busing or other mitigation plan would have to account for the normal ridership during that period. If business is booming at the casino and the A is running rush hour-like service on the weekends because of it, then NYCT will have to take that into account when they plan their GOs. |
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