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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Mar 13 21:50:24 2011 First off, thanks for the suggestions on LIRR photo locations.Now on to the issue Alex spoke of earlier. We were wrapping up at Forest Hills:  When two MTA cops asked us what we were doing. It pretty much was a tone of "I wish these LIRR guys would stop calling us about this picture stuff". A 5 minute conversation ensued, not heated, followed by me producing the NYPD photography letter. They told us that we should stop by the LIRR at NYP or Jamaica for a photo permit which is free. I knew this wasn't necessary but I chose a different tactic than confrontation. Now at that point I could not find the MTA photography paperwork. I took my last shot in front of the officers, informed them that our next stop for photos was Kew Gardens & we left. On the walk to Kew I found the MTA photography letter in my camera bag case I needed it. We shot at KG, Jamaica, & Freeport & even NYP & were not questioned for the rest of the day. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Mar 13 21:53:33 2011, in response to ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by kp5308 on Sun Mar 13 21:50:24 2011. Im glad it ended like that without any more drama.. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 13 22:00:34 2011, in response to ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by kp5308 on Sun Mar 13 21:50:24 2011. Those boys are just doing their job, Dispatch calls when someone calls MTAPD for suspisious persons, they got to check it out.their just covering what the taxpayers expect them to do, check it out. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Mar 13 22:01:03 2011, in response to ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by kp5308 on Sun Mar 13 21:50:24 2011. Uggh sorry u had to experience that. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 13 22:28:31 2011, in response to ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by kp5308 on Sun Mar 13 21:50:24 2011. Why didn't you take a picture of the fuckers? |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Mar 13 22:37:18 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 13 22:28:31 2011. The cops themselves were actually pretty nice. We were called in either by an engineer or some stuck up snot (it is Forest Hills, after all) of a passenger.It saddens me we have people shitting their pants over a four eyes (me) and regular guy (kevin) with cameras. Sad statement on society. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 13 22:38:52 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by arnine on Sun Mar 13 22:01:03 2011. experience ?? a few questions ??? get real Arnine. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Mar 13 22:50:15 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Mar 13 22:37:18 2011. Yes, I live in Rego Park, and FH is my home LIRR station, and it is right by FH Gardens, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the residents there called you guys in :( |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Mar 13 22:51:09 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 13 22:00:34 2011. They told us that we should stop by the LIRR at NYP or Jamaica for a photo permit which is free.1. They LIED - there is no such thing as an MTA photo permit. 2. The MTA is fully aware that photography is legal and does not require permits - there is no excuse for lying about permits |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Mar 13 22:51:22 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 13 22:38:52 2011. I know they were doing their jobs, but it is a shame that they had to get questioned. JMHO |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 00:42:12 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 13 22:00:34 2011. No, they were not doing their job. It seems they were trying to excessively cover their asses by passing the responsibility on to others at the LIRR when they should have known full well that photography is legal and that if they found nothing suspicious about the photographers, then they should be left alone and not told to go take some extraneous bogus steps. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 00:42:58 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 13 22:38:52 2011. No, they were told bad information. They were lied to. Cops should NOT being doing that. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 00:44:01 2011, in response to ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by kp5308 on Sun Mar 13 21:50:24 2011. That's terrible that the cops didn't do the right thing. But I'm glad you were smart enough to both not listen to their lies and to not let it stop you from continuing to photograph. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Mar 14 00:45:03 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 13 22:38:52 2011. Being questioned by the police can be quite nerve racking to some.... |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Mar 14 06:50:51 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 00:42:12 2011. How do you know it was the LIRR that called it in? Some other person on the platform could have dialed 911 on his/her cell phone and said that there was a suspicious person on the platform taking photographs. The local precinct set cops out and the cops were probably told in training about the LIRR photo permit, whether accurate or not |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Mar 14 06:52:52 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 00:42:58 2011. how many of the cops are photographers as well? All many cops know about photography on MTA property is what they were taught. If they were taught wrong it is an issue with training not the individual cops |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Mar 14 06:55:46 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Mar 14 06:52:52 2011. Ignorance of the law is no excuse |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 07:10:53 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Mar 14 06:50:51 2011. How do you know it was the LIRR that called it in? Huh? Where did I say that? The local precinct set cops out and the cops were probably told in training about the LIRR photo permit, whether accurate or not No, there was a memo issued to all saying that photography is legal. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 07:11:11 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Mar 14 06:52:52 2011. They were issued memos. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 07:29:32 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Mar 14 00:45:03 2011. only if you got a bad consience, If your clean (law) you got nothing to worry about. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 07:31:51 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 07:29:32 2011. Nope. You're consistently wrong on these matters. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 14 07:58:29 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Mar 14 07:29:32 2011. Correct. But then LION has delt with cops all of the time.No problem. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 14 07:58:48 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 07:31:51 2011.  |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 08:05:54 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 14 07:58:29 2011. No, he's not correct. Just like you aren't. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 08:15:12 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 14 07:58:48 2011. No. But LOL at you being so sore about how you are almost always wrong. Haha. You can't handle the truth. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 08:42:48 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Mar 14 00:45:03 2011. Being questioned by the police can be quite nerve racking to some....Take it from someone in this thread whos been question by the cops more than any of you can dream of.. If you are correct you are correct some still can get worried, i did not. I had Cops run up on me in the Middle of Midtown while i was a messenger wearing slacks a dress shirt and tie and i got questioned... I "looked" like a robbery suspect, yup with all of that all on.Lucky for me Work ID,me carrying packages and a receipt with my last location helped. Everybody handles thier situtation different, some get nervous, some dont, some get kinda arrogant yes they do. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 08:48:39 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 13 22:00:34 2011. Dutch, lemme tell you something, some of you engineers are some lying SOBs!!!! One time, at Ludlow while I was doing some shooting, from the platform mind you, an MTA officer, who ended up being someone me and my brother (who is an MTA PD officer) knows, which in other words means he left after the usual friendly greetings, told me someone on Train 769 reported how I was on the right of way and fouling the tracks while shooting the trains, which EVERYONE who knows me knows could not ever be more false when I am off duty, especially fouling an active main line at the peak of the PM rush!! The officer knew that was BS, and again after the greetings, he left, pissed off because they called him to respond to a bullshit call being as he was about to get off duty at 7 PM, and the call came in at about 6:40 pm, and he didn't get to Ludlow until about 10 minutes to 7.Only because I have no need to start something I know would get me in trouble because I know how I would have reacted had I confronted that engineer, is the reason why I did not find out who was running that train and directly confront him. True they are doing their jobs, but again photography is LEGAL on our property, and the operating personnel and police need to get the knowledge in their heads before acting precipitously. Last week, I stopped and engineer and conductor on a Stamford local I was deadheading on from harassing a photographer at Cos Cob, because the fact is the guy was not trespassing, and photography it totally LEGAL, and the last thing I would want to see is a co-worker in my craft get in trouble for enforcing something that does not exist!! |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 08:56:54 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 13 22:38:52 2011. Dutch, when someone is doing nothing wrong, yes it is messed up to get harassed by officials over it!!I can take those cops out with me for 8 straight hours, and after the first hour, I can show them REAL troublemakers on that stretch of the LIRR within the first hour!! I am talking about graffiti vandals, basic trackwalking trespassers, kids playing chicken which I have seen almost already result in a death on the Main Line at Kew Gardens, which is a little way east of Forest Hills, and sadly even railfans who DO trespass right over at Whitepot Junction a mile or so west of Forest Hills. These guys are questioning people who are doing nothing wrong and doing it at a publicly accessible and LEGAL location. If they were out on the right of way, fine, then they deserve what they get. But at a station, c'mon man!!! Operating personnel and the officials needs to get the true knowledge before, as I stated previously, start going out and acting precipitously. And also as I stated, some of those engineers are some lying SOBs!! And I already had words with an engineer, who I am not going to say at which agency, who I heard admit would throw things when passing by at any photographer with a tripod set up on a platform, actions by him which is indeed a criminal act!!! |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 08:59:41 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 07:10:53 2011. No, there was a memo issued to all saying that photography is legalAnd you know this? You were there? Proff? You a part-time cop now? Or did the "memo" pass you in the mailroom? STILL LOL@BREE-ANNE |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 09:00:51 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 07:11:11 2011. Again, were you there? Have you seen this "memo"? Proff?STILL LOL@BREE-ANNE |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 09:01:43 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 08:59:41 2011. I think it was disscussed here by others BBD... |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:03:19 2011, in response to ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by kp5308 on Sun Mar 13 21:50:24 2011. Permit?????? I was under the understanding photography is totally LEGAL, no permit required!!! News to me!! :-P (In other words, that is a total crock of shit!!! >:-P)Sorry that happened, Kevin!! I kid you not, I NEVER had problems at Forest Hills so I find that very shocking and very much messed up!! At Kew Gardens, I used to shoot and railfan right as the MTA PD sat nearby watching over the right of way and they never told me a thing, and if anything the sergeant even used to wave to me when he would pass by!! Very sorry, Kevin, that some of my colleagues gave you guys bad information and any bit of a hard time!! |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 09:10:14 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 08:15:12 2011. You can't handle the truth.You ain't no Jack Nicholson, mailroom boy! STILL LOL@BREE-ANNE |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:11:09 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 08:59:41 2011. Allow me to say, BBD, that there was indeed a notice issued by the MTA regarding the legality of photography back in 2006, and AFAIK, that order is still in effect and has not been superceded in any way, and it does state that photography on the MTA system is indeed legal, providing it is done in legal areas of the system, and not in restricted locations. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 09:13:08 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:11:09 2011. Arrrrggghhh too many words too effing early in the morning..... |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:15:59 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 09:13:08 2011. Awwwwwwwww, a well edvcated (oops, sorry too sophisticated for you!! :-D), EDUCATED man like you would be able to handle the verbiage at any time of the day!!! :-D LOL |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 09:18:09 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:15:59 2011. Awwwwwwwww, a well edvcated (oops, sorry too sophisticated for you!! :-D), EDUCATED man like you would be able to handle the verbiage at any time of the day!!! :-D LOLNot after a night of..... Oh forget it TMI..... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 09:21:43 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 09:10:14 2011. How do you know he never worked in a mail room? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 09:22:16 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 09:10:14 2011. How do you know he never worked in a mail room? |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:28:37 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 09:18:09 2011. You limey bastard!!!! You couldn't save a little for me???? :-DIt's all good, I got my Twisted Tea to keep me level!! :-D |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 09:30:02 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:28:37 2011. Remember now i dont drink Paul perhaps you "misunderstood" what i meant... |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:32:33 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 09:30:02 2011. Well, you don't do anything else!!! :-D LMAO!!! (Bustin' ya' ballz more!!) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 09:35:11 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:32:33 2011. BTW its 70 degrees where i am right now...Sitting on a porch with a iced latte next to me and not a train in sight.. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:39:07 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 09:35:11 2011. Where are you?? Florida??? Will be down there in July!!! :-) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 09:42:50 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 08:59:41 2011. Yes I know this. Almost everyone knows this. And yes I did pass the memo around. LOL @ you being completely out of touch. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 09:43:22 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 09:21:43 2011. From:http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000197/bioJACK NICHOLSON: Trivia Ranked #6 in Empire (UK) magazine's "The Top 100 Movie Stars of All Time" list. [October 1997] Recipient of a Lifetime Achievement Award from the American Film Institute. [1994] Used to be a messenger boy for MGM's cartoon department. Messenger boy, not mailroom boy, like YOU! STILL LOL@BREE-ANNE |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:44:02 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Mar 14 06:50:51 2011. This is true!! I have known of people on the platform trying to call people in when taking photos. It is just part of the on going terror hysteria, and of course people see camera, they think the worst, so true it might have necessarily been a train crew, however from my working experiences, I know engineers who will falsefully bang in a railfan just to break their balls!! It is a practice I do not like, and even recently I stopped a crew on a Stamford local from bugging a photographer out at Cos Cob. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 09:44:49 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 09:43:22 2011. How do you know I don't work in a messenger room? Why are you wrong so often? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Mar 14 09:45:00 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Mar 14 09:39:07 2011. Yes im in Gods Waiting Room... |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Mar 14 09:50:34 2011, in response to Re: ISSUE AT FOREST HILLS, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 14 09:44:49 2011. Yawn! Isn't it time to "Meet the Mailman"?See ya at lunchtime, lackey..... STILL LOL@BREE-ANNE |
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