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Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Jan 21 17:57:04 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Randyo on Fri Jan 21 16:56:22 2011. Shhhh! Facts won't stop people from trying to find Al Capone's missing treasure :) |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Fri Jan 21 18:06:37 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by BMTLines on Fri Jan 21 15:26:42 2011. Nice Picture. That's enough proof for me. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Jan 21 19:25:13 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Randyo on Fri Jan 21 16:54:51 2011. "It's not trespassing if you're an NYCT employee."However, I imagine that even an NYCT employee could be disciplined if he were determined not to have legitimate business in the area. A T/O on the 7, for example, would definitely be out of place at 76 St and Pitkin Avenue. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Fri Jan 21 19:29:38 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 21 15:11:33 2011. Lol. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 21 19:38:30 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 21 17:24:04 2011. Well ... you know how it is. :) 
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Posted by Jeff H. on Sat Jan 22 18:51:15 2011, in response to Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jan 21 07:17:27 2011. I know we've been down this road a few times before...Wasn't Pitkin Ave in the vicinity of 76 St torn up during the late 1960s to install a sewer? Sewers are usually pretty deep. During the excavation, this empty station shell would have been exposed, no? Isn't it logical that on completion of this sewer work, the area was back-filled with sand? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jan 22 19:12:29 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Jeff H. on Sat Jan 22 18:51:15 2011. I passed there just about 5 days a week from june of 1968 to march of `69.I don`t remember any sewers being done.aren`t sewers above the subway? correct me if i,m wrong. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Jan 22 21:27:42 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Jeff H. on Sat Jan 22 18:51:15 2011. Last year, I observed a deep hole being dug on Pitkin east of 80th Street for utility lines for a new office building. I asked the project manager if he encountered anything even resembling a tunnel; he said no, just plain soil and they had dug down about 22 feet at that time. Thus one can reasonably assume the projected tunnel never went that far.However, going east from Euclid to 80th Street, Pitkin is wide (narrowing at 80th Street). On the northeast corner of Pitkin and 80th Street, right next to the cemetery, there is a subway-type grating. Perhaps a tunnel was dug to this point. If one could gain access to what's under that grating..... |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Sat Jan 22 21:51:07 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Jeff H. on Sat Jan 22 18:51:15 2011. I asked a long time resident of the area a few years ago about the 76th Street Station and he wasn't sure but he did remember this. Before the City built the Lincoln Towers hesaid there was talk of puting a subway station over the Pitkin Yards just west of Eldert Lane between Sutter Avenue and Linden Blvd. He claims that the City originally wanted to put a municipal park & ride parking lot near there as well so people could park there cars and take the subway there. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jan 22 21:51:20 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Jan 22 21:27:42 2011. the tunnel stopped at 79st.what you saw was a con ed thingamajig. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jan 22 21:53:15 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Nyctransitman on Sat Jan 22 21:51:07 2011. would have been a good idea,there was enough room when they built the towers. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Jan 22 23:26:44 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Joe Saitta on Sat Jan 22 21:27:42 2011. Ok. |
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Posted by The Queen on Sat Jan 22 23:45:38 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Jan 21 19:25:13 2011. Correct. As transit employees we just can't waltz into any area we want. We need a legitimate reason for being there. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Sun Jan 23 00:04:47 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Jan 21 19:25:13 2011. Yes, if he could get to 76th Street and Pitkin Avenue! No one else has, so far, at least reportedly not recently..... |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Jan 23 02:08:42 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by The Queen on Sat Jan 22 23:45:38 2011. 'As transit employees we just can't waltz into any area we want.'wasn't able to waltz, either.. once I was able to 'POLKA' in, tho........... |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 07:50:56 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by The Queen on Sat Jan 22 23:45:38 2011. Settling a longstanding dispute on SubChat is not a legitimate reason? I'm hurt. |
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Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 07:52:56 2011, in response to Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jan 21 07:17:27 2011. Is there any chance we can get those guys from Mythbusters to do a show about 76th Street? Maybe they can get permission from the MTA to do a show about this alleged "ghost station"?Just wondering. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 08:00:05 2011, in response to Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 07:52:56 2011. Doubtful as MTA would have to allow them to get behind the wall and also how can they tell otherwise? |
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Posted by milan1834 on Sun Jan 23 09:14:10 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 21 08:33:42 2011. Actually, the tilework that I've seen of 76th Street looks more like 59th Street on the Lexington Ave. IRT Express. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 09:36:28 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 08:00:05 2011. Agreed, if TA employees can't be able to get behind there then what makes anyone thinks the Mythbusters' can? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 23 09:39:16 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 08:00:05 2011. They can run Ground Penetrating radar along the street to see if anything shows up - that would be the only non-invasive way to do it. As for the MTA - they refuse to respond to all requests on the issue. IIRC the station has come up in various news articles - MTA has never confirmed or denied the rumors.When a government agency neither "confirms nor denies" (ie. CIA involvement in Cambodia, Laos, Nicaragua, etc...) it almost always means the rumor is true! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Jan 23 09:42:44 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by BMTLines on Fri Jan 21 15:20:24 2011. Would the station be just behind the wall or would there still be some tunnel between the wall and the station? |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 09:47:52 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Jan 23 09:42:44 2011. For what it's worth, there could be more tunnel behind the wall before traces of a station.Someone from NYCTF posted this up just recently:  NOTE: It's just schematics, but not necessarily concrete proof that the station exists. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 09:54:11 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 09:47:52 2011. It's pretty positive that the tunnel extends beyond that wall, that wall was put there much later. I think most people accept that the tunnel was built further, just how much and if there is a station is what is the controversy.If there is a long forgotten station anywhere, this is the line it would be. The line was built before World War II from Rockaway Ave to somewhere around here. The full station at Bway Junction was built, and tiled, but it lacked the metal for the rails and signals because of the war effort. The station shells at Liberty, Van Siclen, Shephard and Euclid were also all built before the war, and then construction stopped because of the war. It's not out of the realm of possibility that 76th St's shell was also built when the others were. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 09:58:09 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 09:36:28 2011. Well for one, your average employee is not allowed to just go somewhere in the system and begin knocking through a wall.Mythbusters would have prior consent and the backing of the MTA if they were ever to do such a thing. It's not like they would just one day walk off the platform at Euclid and start walking there with their cameras. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 09:59:09 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 23 09:39:16 2011. It may very well be true, but we also don't know if the whole area was just filled up with sand at some point and truly abandoned. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 10:17:26 2011, in response to Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 09:54:11 2011. Makes total sense to me. I'm curious though as to what made the City decide to build an extension over to Grant Avenue rather than just finish what they had already started, since the four tracks that were supposed to continue along Pitkin Avenue dead-end at the bumper block. On the days that SMEEs ran on the (A) I would look out the window and see the tracks that continued under Pitkin Aveue before the train switches to the Grant Avenue lead. It's obvious that they haven't been touched in a long time, as a train that layed-up on the two outer "local" tracks would have to go through a myriad of back and forth moves before being put into service, but the last time I've been on the (A) line was in the summer, but it didn't seem like the two inner "express" tracks saw usage either, as it would be easier to lay up a train on those tracks if necessary because there's a diamond corssover between the express tracks just East of Euclid Avenue.To add on, Dave on NYCSubway.org even estimated that the tracks end at approximately Elderts Lane. That's four blocks before 76th Street. So yeah there's something behind that wall but from the looks of how long the Fulton Street Line's sattions are, such as Euclid, chances are there'd be a short segment of tunnel before a station shell. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 10:17:27 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 09:36:28 2011. Well MTA can grant them permission but doubtful, maybe they can scour grates, etc but can't think of how they can prove the existence of the station w/o breaking the wall down |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 23 10:18:28 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 09:58:09 2011. I see where you're coming from. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 10:18:52 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 23 09:39:16 2011. I think there is something there and that is a good point about the radar but would it work if the station is deep? (npt sure been a while since last in that area) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 23 10:24:43 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 10:18:52 2011. It depends on the thickness of the asphalt or concrete surface of the road. It can only penetrate through about 3 feet of asphalt but 300 or more feet of dirt or sand |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 10:41:52 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 23 10:24:43 2011. Let's hope no thickness :) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 23 10:47:50 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 10:41:52 2011. Do it now during pothole season - no thickness at all :) It felt like I was driving on the moon on some streets yesterday :( |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 10:54:37 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 10:17:27 2011. simple,let the t.a.give access to their records on "as built"stations&tunnels.I,ve been asking you transit types for years to try&get into the blueprint room&research this.to date not one of you has repleyed to this request.there is a t.a.manhole just a few feet east[towards 76st]of elderts lane,iirc.the markings have been erased due to heavy auto traffic over the years.this may be the entrance to the tunnel beyound the 4 layup tracks at grant ave.if so,it would be the easyest way to access 76st.pop the cover,put a ladder down&see whats down there. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 11:03:08 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 23 10:47:50 2011. lol my area is chock full of potholes |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 11:05:22 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 10:54:37 2011. Wonder if TA Archives have access to the records. Maybe a middle of night excursion to manhole is in order :) |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jan 23 11:11:04 2011, in response to Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 07:52:56 2011. you should submit this to the show.http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/cfrm/f/2991937776 |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 11:18:47 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 11:05:22 2011. since its on the street you would need traffic cones,at least a 30 foot ladder,vests& a big set of balls. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 11:22:15 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 09:59:09 2011. Well, why doesn't the MTA just say so and put an end to the issue once and for all? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 11:23:17 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 11:03:08 2011. And its only going to get worse if it keeps snowing once a week like it has been recently. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 11:27:15 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 09:58:09 2011. "Mythbusters would have prior consent and the backing of the MTA if they were ever to do such a thing."As I specifically said in the original post. But maybe the MTA would like some positive nationwide exposure and give them permission to do it, especially if it would get us foamers off their backs forever. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 23 11:29:31 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 11:27:15 2011. Ever since 9-11 the Transit Museum (MTA) has gone into super-secrecy mode. They are refusing access to their archives to anyone even members and researchers using the usual "9/11 excuse"What good is having a museum where the public can't see the collection... |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 11:37:29 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 23 09:59:09 2011. it was NOT backfilled.how would you backfill apx.a half mile of tunnel&station w/o anybody noticing?FYI:the polo grounds shuttle was not backfilled,the tunnels beyound the junction[flatbush&nostrand]weren`t,the narrows tunnel[brooklyn side]weren`t.the tunnels at 66th ave ind. rockaway weren`t. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 11:37:59 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 11:18:47 2011. When weather gets better.... |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 11:38:24 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 11:37:59 2011. Don't worry I will be legal if I can do it :) |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 11:39:26 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 23 11:23:17 2011. Maybe it will wear away the street above and let us in :) |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 11:39:30 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by BMTLines on Sun Jan 23 11:29:31 2011. I was there last year,no problem getting in,was told come back anytime. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 11:42:53 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 11:39:26 2011. uh,ya got a better chance of hitting lotto for several million dollars. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 11:42:59 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by arnine on Sun Jan 23 11:39:26 2011. uh,ya got a better chance of hitting lotto for several million dollars. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Jan 23 11:59:55 2011, in response to Re: Mythbusters? (Re: Q About LTV Squad and 76th Street), posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jan 23 11:18:47 2011. since its on the street you would need traffic cones,at least a 30 foot ladder,vests& a big set of balls.Do you remember the scene in "GHOSTBUSTERS II" when they dug in the street and found the old pneumatic subway? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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