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Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2

Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Sep 27 18:03:56 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS: SEPTA Rail Rodeo-2, posted by WillD on Sun Sep 26 17:08:41 2010.

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If you look at the photos one row of three abreast seating is sacrificed, another three abreast row is converted to two abreast kneeknocker seating, and the front two seats are isolated. That means five seats are removed when a full-width cab is being operated, and two additional seats are rendered virtually useless by virtue of their being kneeknocker seats. Even with fully convertible cabs only occupying the ends of the train that means somewhere between 10 and 14 seats will be rendered useless by the full width cabs. On the 3 car trains that make up the majority of SEPTA's operations, that represents about 5% of the train's capacity, or two passengers per door. Can SEPTA hire you to ride the trains and explain to the passengers riding in the (hazardous) door openings why you thought it was more important the crew be given a hideout than they be afforded a seat?

You are entirely correct, the seats that face each other just behind the bulkhead, the three and the two, are knee-knockers, and the two set seat in the cab area is isolated. I felt better with the explanation after looking hard at Kevin painter's photos,but,yes, Will,you were right.

Still sounds like SEPTA and Rotem screwed up the design,I know how that feels.I spent 40 years in the design/drafting field, and took my licks.

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