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Re: Future expansion wish list?

Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 25 17:41:14 2009, in response to Re: Future expansion wish list?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Dec 25 15:58:34 2009.

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Sorry, I simply forgot about the last part of your always thoughtful response.

If you view transit as simply a policy tool, and your goal is simply to reduce commuting time regardless of the costs and ridership counts, then yes, but if you demand some degree of efficiency, then it remains to be seen if there's any real payoff in construction a multi-billion dollar tunnel for 485,000 residents.

That's the main issue for me.

I think this is one of those issues that requires professional studies to what alignments, routings, and schedules lead to the increased ridership away from cars, express buses, normal buses, and the ferry to achieve maximum ridership to justify the tunnel.

I think that without land use and zoning changes and/or a cross-harbor freight tunnel on which to piggyback/share, it's just not feasible.

As for the situation with express buses, given the subsidy rate, I think that the fares have to be increased quite substantially. It wouldn't be politically popular, but the NYCT's job is not to use scarce funding to provide a few people with one-seat rides at great opportunity cost.

Otherwise, extend HBLR over the Bayonne Bridge to Staten Island, and consider a bus over to Perth Amboy NJT...

The main obstacle to extending HBLR to Richmond County, NY is political: why should NJ open up its labor market? No clue on how you'd go about that. No doubt NJT would only proceed DBOM and I'm also tending to think that MTA's labor would see that (rightly) as an intrusion on to their turf.



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