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Re: Bergen Street Lower Level

Posted by Michael549 on Mon Oct 12 11:21:19 2009, in response to Re: Bergen Street Lower Level, posted by lrg5784 on Mon Oct 12 09:25:56 2009.

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In my experience traveling to Brooklyn, and using the Jay Street station, with the A, C and F lines - if the following happened I might support some of the changes that were suggested for the A, C, F and V lines - switching the lower Manhattan trunks on which they run.

If almost whole entire F-trains were emptied at Jay Street during the morning to Manhattan rush hours, where all of those riders boarded and overcrowded A and C trains for the journey to Manhattan. And in the evening this was repeated, F-trains basically arrived almost empty to Jay Street from Manhattan, and upon leaving Jay Street were filled to the brim with riders for the trip home, of course reliving the over-crowding on the A and C trains.

Sorry but that does not happen. From my experience of living in Brooklyn along and using the A and C lines, and traveling to work in Brooklyn over a couple of decades - such a passenger transfer scenario does not happen.

Yes, sure plenty of folk transfer from the F-train to the A and C trains for the trip to Manhattan especially during the rush hours, and again at night transfer at Jay Street back to F-trains for the trip home. However it is not hordes of folks, maybe 20-25% of the F-train riders, at most one-third - would be my estimate.

There are not a lot of A and C train riders running off of the A and C trains at Jay Street for F-train service to Manhattan on a regular basis. If I had to estimate from memory it would be about 10-20% of the A and C train riders, and 20% would be pushing it as the upper limit of the estimate. I remember when there was a blockage in A or C train service to Manhattan, plenty of A and C train riders would take the F-train to Manhattan and transfer to complete their journey, simply to get to work on time.

My point is that I really doubt that there are great hordes of folk who just have to transfer at Jay Street, that the trains need to be through routed to those points. The across-the-platform transfer works well enough. The A and C lines tend to take folks to where they want to go, and the same with the F-train, and both lines offer transfer opportunities to other lines.

Plenty of folks manage their ways around the subways just fine. I know it is a part of transit buff membership dues to propose every kind of subway map changing alternative that could possibly exist, even if they make little sense in the real world.

Mike


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