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Age of the Els Re: To el or not to el, that is the question!

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 20 14:15:21 2005, in response to Re: To el or not to el, that is the question!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 20 13:22:51 2005.

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Okay, I had to pull out my timeline map I got from the TM in 1991
Here's the history of the els:

Jamaica/Broadway El:
-Essex to Marcy - Sept 16, 1909
-Marcy to Myrtle - Jan 17, 1916 (replacement of older el)
-(Myrtle to Central) - July 29, 1914 (replacement of older el)
-(Central to Wyckoff) - July 1, 1918 (replacement of older el)
-(Wykcoff to Fresh Pond) - Feb 22, 1915
-Myrtle to Alabama Ave - Dec 21, 1916
-Alabama to Cypress Hills - 1893
-Cypress Hills to 111th St - May 28, 1917
-111th St to 168th ST - July 3, 1918

Livonia El:
-Utica to Junius - Nov 20, 1920
-Junius to Pennsylvania - Dec 24, 1920
-Pennsylvania to New Lots - Oct 16, 1922

Culver El:
Ditmas to Kings Highway - March 16, 1919
Kings Hwy to Ave X - May 10, 1919
Ave X to Stillwell - May 1, 1920

West End El:
-36th St to 18 Ave - June 24, 1916
-18 Ave to 25 Ave - June 29, 1916
-25 Ave to Stillwell - July 21, 1917

Brighton:
-Church to Sheepshead - 1907
-Sheepshead to Ocean Pkway - April 22, 1917
-Ocean to West 8th - May 30, 1917
-W 8th to Stillwell - May 29, 1919

Flushing:
-Queensboro Plaza to 103rd St - April 21, 1917
-103-111th - Oct 13, 1925
-111th to Main - May 14, 1927

Astoria:
-Queensboro Plaza to Ditmars - Feb 1, 1917

Pelham:
-Hunts Point to 177th St - May 30, 1920
-177th to Westchester Square - Oct 24, 1920
-Westchester Sq to Pelham - Dec 20, 1920

White Plains:
- 135th to Jackson - July 10, 1905
-Jackson to 180th - Nov 26, 1904 (don't ask me how that was a few months later than the former)
-180th to 219th - March 3, 1917
-219 to 238 - March 31, 1917
238 to 241 - Dec 13, 1920

Jerome:
- 149th to Kingsbridge - June 2, 1917
- Kingsbridge to Woodlawn - Aprl 15, 1918

IRT Broadway:
-157th to 215 - March 12, 1906
-215 to 225 - Jan 14, 1907
-225 to 242 - Aug 1, 1908


And finally, what should have been the answer.....drum roll please.....

Liberty El:
-Unfortunately the TM only gives the connection date for the Lefferts el!!!! Euclid to Lefferts - April 29, 1956 - the day it was connected to the IND.

Well so much for that.....Someone has to find out the accurate dates for Liberty.

My opinion is that it's close. It is built in the same style (more or less) as the Livonia, Broadway-Brooklyn, Myrtle from Central to Wyckoff, and Jamaica Els. The canopies are all similar on these 4 els.
My opinion is that the "winner" of the newest el is either Livonia or Liberty. Jamaica, Broadway, Myrtle, and the Livonia El are all built with the exact same canopy construction (completely flat tops with a beam on the edge of the roof)....and so is the Liberty El, with one exception....that it has columns on the platform. Since the Livonia El is built after the Jamaica, Broadway, and Myrtle (Central to Wyckoff) els, I believe Livonia is the "bridge" style between those els and the way they built Liberty, which is unique to the system.


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