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Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2

Posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 18 17:35:51 2009, in response to Re: I was taken in handcuffs for photography at the Freeman St Station on the 2, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Feb 17 18:01:44 2009.

Fine, I'll reword my previous example.

Tomorrow, US soldiers come to North Dakota, arrest capture you, and take you to Gitmo or a similar prison. You are not given any court hearings, nor are you allowed access to a lawyer or even any member of the outside world. The soldiers explain that they are allowed to do this because you are a spy/insurgent/terrorist, and remind you that since international rules of combat permit them to shoot people like you at their convenience, you should thank them for being such fine gentlemen. They tell you that you will be released when the president unilaterally decides that he thinks there aren't any more terrorists.

You seem to be playing musical chairs with yourself hereó people detained at the whim of the president are "enemy combatants" so the constitution doesn't apply, but not actually enemy combatants, so the Geneva conventions don't apply.

What happens on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan (essentially, the "war zone") is one thing. I'm talking about people being detained with no judicial oversight, who were captured in Canada and Germany; possibly, even some in the US. Unless you're saying that Canada, Germany, and the US itself are battlefields, you can leave military scenarios out of it.

So, I ask again:

Do you believe that there are any circumstances in which it is acceptable to detain someone without judicial oversight? Assuming the US is the country detaining them, is it acceptable to detain somebody without granting them the protections of the US Constitution under any circumstances?

Rules and circumstances pertaining to wars don't apply, as the US has not declared war on any other countries, nor has any other country declared was against the US. This refers solely to individuals or groups of individuals who are accused of performing or plotting to perform illegal actions (crimes).


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