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Re: Second Ave Alignment Change

Posted by Russ on Wed Jun 25 19:08:11 2008, in response to Re: Second Ave Alignment Change, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jun 25 02:25:11 2008.

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""Used to" are the key words there. There has not been an el above Bronx 3rd Av since 1973. Every person who has bought property or started a business in the vicinity since then has done so with the understanding that there will not be a noisy eyesore there and paid so accordingingly. A rebuild of the 3rd Av El would be undesirable, unthinkable and impossible. Rebuilding it would not be righting a wrong but compounding it instead. I say build a subway."

I think that you raise some very valid points, but modern Els are not noisy. Based on the size of an El, and the width of Third Avenue, I agree that a subway would stand a far better chance of local acceptance.

Also, you mention 1973 as the year when the El was torn down. That is 35 years ago. Barring an unforeseen breakthrough in construction techniques, and/or revenue source, building the SAS into the Bronx won't even be pop until the SAS is finished. Allowing for the requisite 2-5 years of delay, we're looking at extending the SAS into the Bronx no earlier than roughly 50 years after the El came down. I doubt that the locals will be very tolerant.

All that said, I do think that Els are slated to see a limited resurgence in NYC. I'm not sure when or where (my bet is on the medians of highways,) but the very fact that we have a modern El for the JFK AirTrain will be very effective at ameliorating the concerns of people who will have to live near an El. It is an example of just how quiet today's Els are.

All that the MTA would have to do, if and when the day comes that they are promoting the construction of an El, is to offer members of a community a free field trip to watch and listen to the JFK AirTrain, with a free boxed lunch. Such a field trip is far less expensive than the cost differential of building a subway, and also less expensive than fighting community opposition.

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