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Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 3 13:57:37 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Mar 3 13:38:19 2008.

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It is 100% relevant who is doing the charging!!!!!!!!! That's the whole point! In San Fran, IIRC, BART charges you extra to go to the SF airport circulator because BART is carrying you the distance ON TO THE PROPERTY! The SF airport free circulator does not charge anything! I have NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. It makes COMPLETE SENSE.

But AirTrain to HB is not the circulator. People from the subway at Howard Beach were paying $2 fee "pedestrian toll" [ic] in uninflated 1970's dollars to ride the shuttle bus. Today, they pay $5 for AirTrain. Either way, subway people are being charged for the remainder of the trip to the terminals (except for a 10 year reprieve while there was no premium service offered at HB). It's semantics who is doing the charging.
Now for BART. The MTA OWNED the ROW into the airport, and had every right to build some rail link using the subway if they so chosed. They chose NOT to, and the PA took the bulls by the horn and did so. If the A train terminated at Federal circle, I would say otherwise. BUT IT DOESN'T.

Then, the PA took over the bus route and since it is an on-the-property bus route, they DID NOT CHARGE FOR IT. They also allowed free access into the parking lot

Only after all premium services were stopped for about 10 years. During that time, no premium services were being offered to or from Howard Beach.

Then they built airtrain and they sealed up the free entrance to the parking lot. That's wrong. It was open. They have no right to seal it up just so they can charge a ped toll to get onto the free circulator.


Right, because otherwise people would try to evade the AirTrain fee. Before, they had JFK Express slips, and those that didn't have one were charged $2 (in uninflated 1970's dollars). Today, there are no slips, but people are charged a $5 fee for the AirTrain service provided. Those not willing to pay that (can take a similar A train to Lefferts Blvd, and arrive into the Airport that way without using the premium service available at Howard Beach. There is no "pedestrian toll" [ic] to enter airport property there.



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