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Re: Phila Inquirer: Gas prices, global warming renewing interest in high-speed rail

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Sep 9 23:49:06 2007, in response to Re: Phila Inquirer: Gas prices, global warming renewing interest in high-speed rail, posted by Rail Blue on Sun Sep 9 10:02:33 2007.

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Actually, I was thinking of a London-centric HSL model with a LGV basically running along a London-Birmingham-Manchester or Liverpool axis. I'd leave Leeds and Newcastle as a spur off the mainline with some improved tracks. If you're really bored, you could always run a HSL from Main Line LGV from Birmingham and run a spur to serve places like Nottingham and Sheffield on an M42/A42 axis.

BTW, why a HSL to Bristol? You're almost as optimistic as the planners at RENFE. OTOH, my plan reeks of the "Paris as hub of the universe" model that SNCF has operated under for nearly 25 years.

This includes factors like the basic fact that getting in and out of Birmingham would kill all the time savings of HSR

You do realize that you don't have to run into the existing terminals, and you can build new stations along the outskirts of towns with connections to local transport to avoid having to run into classical terminals? SNCF uses this with Lille Europe, the Interconexion LGV, and the LGV Rhone Alpes Bypass of Lyon.

If your non-conventional trains are beating the high speed trains, your high speed line wasn't designed correctly or you placed way too many stops on the line. SNCF goes from Paris to Marseille in 3:30, the least we can do is London to Glasgow in 2:45.

Erie, PA, (102,036) probably deserves an HSR stop.

Erie, PA is *pissant*. There's much there except for a couple of abandoned factories and a manufacturing centre for locomotives.*

More significantly, as land is severely limited in London, it would essentially make a central Birmingham location as good for business as being shunted out to the Isle of Dogs.

Hey, I like Canary Wharf! It's pretty, shiny, modern, and new!

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