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Re: Phila Inquirer: Gas prices, global warming renewing interest in high-speed rail

Posted by Rail Blue on Mon Sep 10 14:21:51 2007, in response to Re: Phila Inquirer: Gas prices, global warming renewing interest in high-speed rail, posted by Fytton on Mon Sep 10 10:43:57 2007.

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'The north-east [of England] was served by a branch off the WCML in the 1840s. There wasn't enough capacity then, and there isn't now.'

'...it's a big problem with any concept of HSL in Britain that getting back out of Birmingham to the north-west involves 36 painfully slow miles to Stafford'.

But we are discussing building new High Speed lines!


1) The network of the 1840s was analogous to this situation. The results were the GN and Midland Main Lines. There is simply too much fast long-distance traffic for the get everyone to Hampton-in-Arden/Rugby for London solution.

2) This is a (badly expressed, I admit) scenario, whereby an HSL would reach Birmingham. The point is that any through train from London to beyond Birmingham is only fit for Wolverhampton (and possibly Shrewsbury), as the line through the Black Country is slow enough to lose the advantage of the HSL section versus the ordinary WCML by Stafford. This really means that Birmingham has to be on a branch, which has interesting implications for service patterns.

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