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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 23 23:12:55 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by WillD on Mon Jul 23 15:15:07 2007. You have it backwards. If NYC is an island and access and space are at a premium then you would want to go with the mode that allows the greatest number of people to pass through a passage of a given cross-sectional area per hour and uses the least amount of land for those people travelling into the city.Yes, and we have that, it's called the NYC Subway system, it's the lifeline of the city. Could it be better? Sure. But it's better than most cities, and that is because of the island scenario. In that case the car is the worst mode for NYC to depend on Exactly, and that's why we depend on the subway and our LIRR, and our Metro North to get people in. The car is certainly not the preferred method in NYC.....by no means.... But you still need good roads and bridges, and tunnels too. The entire country (not just NY) is also dependend on trucks....for better or worse, but Long Island would be crippled if it could not move all that traffic that needs to come in, it would all be on the little local roads. Every shipment, right down from the hamburger you eat at a restaurant to the TV you buy at Best Buy comes in to Long Island or NY by truck, just as it does everywhere else. And don't tell me they can do it by rail, as there is no way you can have the type of modern movement this country relies on by rail alone. Rail has it's place for many commodities, but you still can't have a rail line from every point A to every point B. The problem in NYC is very clearly a reaction to Moses' tactics, and his legacy of bulldozing neighborhoods will likely hang over the city for decades to come. No that is opinion, not fact. scraping parks together out of the corners of farms on LI so families out from NYC's crowded neighborhoods wouldn't have to pay to swim at a rocky beach. I just responded to a post here where someone, after reading that same book said that he "only made parks for rich people, and nothing for the poor". (Sorry if that was not you, but it can't be both ways. Yes, I did read that book, and yes, of does show good in it too, which is OBVIOUSLY undenyable (except the RM bashers appear would never say that), however, it is also filled with plenty of opinion. Those parkways which 25 years before had been a godsend as a way for car owners in NYC to escape the city for a weekend were instead a daily slog for millions of commuters, an unending source of frustration for everyone connected to them which continues to today. The Long Island Railroad offered the capacity to carry those commuters into the city, but its cars and track were in deplorable shape and it had no money for improvements. Yes, and that LIRR still is the busiest commuter RR in the country. And you can't use the LIRR for every use, as it doesn't go from every point A to point B. In fact, many of those people using those roads are not traveling to the city all the way, but use them for intraisland travel, as well as to places in the city where the LIRR is not feasible. Don't get me wrong, Moses was a pompous, arrogant individual, but at the same time, you needed someone like him to get a lot of the things done that we enjoy to this day. Yes, the LIE can be cursed often times, but it would be much bigger curses without it (or add any other road in the LIE's place in that sentence). |
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