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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 23 12:41:55 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by Michael549 on Mon Jul 23 11:58:56 2007. Today's situation on those roads and expressways was different than when Robert Moses (and the highway authorities) built them. Why?Irrelevant. The approach to Jones Beach is just as it always was. The bridges that were rebuilt, have similar clearances to the old ones, and the ones that were doubled are twins of the original. The issue of Robert Moses and buses on the roadways is not an urban legend as some contend. There is a web-site the Roadways Of New York that discusses these and other issues, as well as the roads not built. Robert Moses planned three expressways across Manhattan, the Lower Manhattan Expressway..........Need we mention the "Cross-Brooklyn" Expressway - if you have never heard of it, check out the "Roads not built" section of that website. ANd the point being? What do the never built roads have to do with the urban legend? The EARLY roads, designed in the 20's and 30's were designed without larger vehicles traversing them, because buses were not a real thought back in the 20's. Later roads were built as Expressways when it seemed obvious, that larger motor vehicles like buses were becoming the norm. Some of the earlier parkways were even converted into expressways. Still sounds like urban legend to me.... Considering each of the dozen a year of "transit plans" that the arm-chair "transit planners on forums like these" create, or some of the implications the IND Second System Robert Moses did not kill the second system. The lingering effects of the Great Depression, WWII, and changing times killed the IND Second System. EVEry city came to the point at that time that it was necessary to expand the roads and bridge infastructure. Every city turned their funds to roads/bridges, etc instead of transit. Robert Moses didn't take money for transit away, he instead BROUGHT federal money for roads and bridges. Money that would have went to other cities instead, had he not brought it here. The issue is not that Robert Moses used federal money for bridges/roads. The issue is that there wasn't a similar guy looking to expand transit in the same era to bring money for that. But there wasn't a guy like that anywhere else in the country either. It was a different time. It's easy to look back at Robert Moses' era with TODAY's thinking, but you have to go back to RObert Moses' era with the SAME era's thining to understand what happened back then. read the book "The Power Broker". Yes, very interesting and informative, but it only gives part of the story, from one angle. Yes, there is a whole lot that can be said about Robert Moses's activities with the park system, public housing, urban renewal and urban planning in general. The world was we know it has changed, the world has we know is dynamic and always changing - that is the nature of the game. Exactly, and that's just the point. We can't go back to THAT era with TODAY's thinking, as it was a different world then. |
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