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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Jul 23 11:58:56 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 23 10:39:23 2007. Today's situation on those roads and expressways was different than when Robert Moses (and the highway authorities) built them. Why?Because those bridges and overpasses were REBUILT, often using a similar stone arches like the originals. In some cases the roadways were doubled such that the original bridges and overpasses a twin was created. In several cases due to the single arch of the overpasses, some buses had problems being on the edges of the roadways. In many cases land alongside those roadways and highways had to condemned to support the expansion of those roadways. Too many folks look at the highways, overpasses, roads and bridges - and somehow believe that they still are EXACTLY the way that they were built and designed from Robert Moses' time completely neglecting to note that there have been roadway expansion projects, changes and other improvements over the years. Just because the name of the roadway has not changed in years, does not mean that the actual road has not itself been changed. The issue of Robert Moses and buses on the roadways is not an urban legend as some contend. There is a web-site the Roadways Of New York that discusses these and other issues, as well as the roads not built. Robert Moses planned three expressways across Manhattan, the Lower Manhattan Expressway that everyone loves to talk about which involved Jane Jacobs, but also the Mid-Manhattan Expressway that was to stretch across at about 33rd Street, and the Trans-Harlem Expressway that would have stretched across 125th Street. Ever wonder why the Triborough Bridge on East 125th Street has a set of roadways that do not go anywhere? Need we mention the "Cross-Brooklyn" Expressway - if you have never heard of it, check out the "Roads not built" section of that website. Considering each of the dozen a year of "transit plans" that the arm-chair "transit planners on forums like these" create, or some of the implications the IND Second System - be careful in wishing for a transit czar like Robert Moses. There were plenty of times in the planning of roads and highways where Robert Moses could have taken a different route that would have saved homes, cost less while still offering benefits - that he choose not to pursue. There were times when rich powerful interests on Long Island that simply stopped him, and he had to divert his planned roadways - read the book "The Power Broker". Yes, there is a whole lot that can be said about Robert Moses's activities with the park system, public housing, urban renewal and urban planning in general. The world was we know it has changed, the world has we know is dynamic and always changing - that is the nature of the game. Mike |
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