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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 15 23:47:29 2007, in response to Re: A Transit Robert Moses Guy, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Feb 14 17:06:07 2007. Other than Central Park and a few others, New York had virtually no parks to speak of. We were so park hungry that in the 1800s people routinely picnicked in cemeteries or alongside rural roads. He built several hundred within the City in a few short yearsAnd what did these parks turn into? Great places to smoke crack and get jumped. Care to elaborate on his swimming pool policies? The South would have loved him. Most of the roads he built were necessary and NY would not be nearly as successful without them. Yes, they could have taken different routes with much less displacement of people, but that is another story Eh? NYC was "successful" without those roads already—all port cities are inherent successes. The displacement of people is not "another story"—it's the main story. I regard the worsening of slums as a lack of success; don't know about you. His contributions through out the entire state including Long Island are too numerous to mention What was the result of them? Urban sprawl is not a "benefit"—it's a curse. An ongoing curse, to boot. Long Island is no place to visit, and you can't get around without the LIRR—due to his roads, and imagine how bad things would have been if the LIRR was scaled down. I already mentioned that the LIE probably would have been a surface boulevard in the City limits if Moses didn't have the vision to make it limited access So? The LIE is motionless. All that happened is you got more money spent on a road that would have been equally motionless. Just look at the results where Moses did not build. It takes forever to get across Brooklyn because there is no Cross Brooklyn Expressway It would take forever to get across Brooklyn even with an expressway, which would take no car traffic off the Belt Parkway and only result in creating another jammed-up truck route. Zero-sum game, as far as getting vehicles from A to B. Without him, there probably would never have been a Belt Parkway I don't believe that. After all, there was a West Side Highway without him (and a railroad built that—ain't it funny how it's the only highway within NYC environs that got demolished and never replaced). The Belt Parkway would have been the Belt Expressway instead. I think Chris already made a powerful case of this numerous times in this discussion. There is no reason to repeat them again No, he repeated fallacies. |
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