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Posted by JOE @ NYCTMG - NYCMTS on Tue Feb 14 07:46:39 2006, in response to Re: Fulton Street El Express Service, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 13 18:04:11 2006. Hello randyo Lets see now, say your El men who were with the IRT as you say, a few years (lets say, 1935) BEFORE the June 1940 City of NY takeover, were at least 30 years old (or older!) back then in 1935, and had to work their way UP to become motormen as was the rule..so they would have been 20, 25 years old when they started with the IRT proportionately years before 1935. Well, by 1975 (from 1935) they would be 70 (or older) years old and already retired by the NYCTA by then. SO I am confused as to when your time, career, with the TA was, and if it was even AFTER 1975, these "el" men would be even more advanced ages and long out of the TA...and would be 100 + by 2006 today The last Manhattan type wooden "EL" trains ran til mid Dec. 1956 in the Bronx, -- 50 years ago to TODAY - and a 30 (or older) year old El motorman then in 1956 would be 80 years old in 2006 today...but you did say your sources were on the "IRT" job BEFORE City Takeover in June 1940. So I am somewhat confued by timelines here vs: ages of vs: memories of these men That aside, they seem to be correct on most facts but missing some documented company info on others. According to Manhattan Railway Co Div. IRT roster records, the following IRT EL Gate cars (all later made MUDC) were fitted with Low-V Controls Cars 1660-1671 - MOTOR CARS - built by Jewett 1910 Cars 1706-1711 - TRAILER " - " by St Louis 1911 Cars 1724-1752 - TRAILER " - built by Wason 1911 Cars 1753-1761 - MOTOR CARS - built by Jewett 1911 Cars 1763-1792 - MOTOR CARS - built by Jewett 1911 Cars 1703-1809 - MOTOR CARS - " by Cincinnatti 1911 Cars 1811-1812 - MOTOR CARS - " by Cincinnatti 1911 The controller handles were the old EL type, style design as used on the El Car HI-V Coontrol stands, but the controller cabinetry and under-car contained Low-V control apparatus and circuitry. The Trailer cars listed above all had 3rd rail shoes, (which Hi-V trailers DID NOT) and of course I have a few photos of Low-V El trains (MUDC's) on the Manhattan 3rd Ave El taken in early, mid 50's. All these cars (and all other EL MUDC's) were burned and metal-scrapped by early 1958 latest, all at the ex-Starlight Amusement Park grounds along the Bronx River around 172nd-174th street Bronx. Your "EL Men" were correct on the COMPOSITES ! They WERE converted in 1915-16 to brand new Low-V contol systems and controllers, from their original Hi-V equipment and controllers as installed new in them in 1900-1902. Their H-V controllers, apparatus and MOTOR-TRAIL TRUCKS were installed by the IRT into brand new steel subway Hi-V car body shells built in 1915. And the IRT shops fabricated special lihtweight modified maximum-traction style trucks under the Composite Cars for El use...these trucks were all motor trucks for going to service on Manhattan EL lines in express-only service - later placed under BMT /IRT Q Type el cars in 1949-50. You mentioned that when you speke to these "EL" men about "EL" Low-V's (was that in the past day or so in response, regards to this present topic ongoing? And if so, are these guys in their mid 80's or 90's or older, as pre-1940 IRT employment would almost make them !!! Again, I am incredulous over this ! And somewhat confused as to ages vs: dedcades timelines !! Regards - Joe |
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