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Re: Answer For Mr. Dave Klepper's Question, Is It An R-10 or #1575?

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Feb 23 16:23:06 2021, in response to Re: Answer For Mr. Dave Klepper's Question, Is It An R-10 or #1575?, posted by randyo on Tue Feb 23 15:36:48 2021.

This may be a surprise to all, but according to the book "The Illustrated Encyclopedia of New York City Subway Rollsigns and Ancillary Items - Volume 1 - BMT and IND Lines - 1914 to 1970's" on page 41, the BRT/BMT AB's original signs were said to include a very lengthy list each of route and designation signs on the curtains.

According to the book inside...
It was recorded in 1915 by Walter Druck when the cars were placed into service on the new Fourth Avenue Subway. Many of the readings were never used. When these rollsigns were designed, the BMT had trackage rights to operate over the Astoria and Flushing (originally called Corona) lines. The IRT maintained all the trackage, signals and power. The plan was for these cars to serve both lines.

So, looking at that list, they are such extra readings but were not used supposedly, marked with an "*" as...

Route signs = Fourth Av. Exp., Fifth Av. Local, Fifth Av. Exp., Fulton St. Local, Fulton St. Exp., Lexington Av. Local, Lexington Av. Exp., Asroria Local, Astoria Exp., Corona Local, Corona Exp., Via Tube, Via Whitehall St., and Via Lower Man'h't'n. Later ones were said to have Jamaica Local and Jamaica Exp.

Destination signs = Sheepshead Bay, Sea Gate, 65th St., Ditmars Ave., Lefferts Ave., Fulton Ferry, Park Row, Sands St., Grant Ave., Brooklyn Bridge, Cypress Hills and Richmond Hill. Later ones were said to have 168th Street [duplicates Jamaica on the roll] and Broadway Ferry.

Obviously, if this is the true and is the case, the BRT/BMT were really thinking big isn puttimg their AB cars anywhere if they wanted to, but there were limitations as soon as they found out later.

-William A. Padron
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