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Answer For Mr. Dave Klepper's Question, Is It An R-10 or #1575?

Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Feb 22 10:57:32 2021

There was an older thread posted on the message board from Trains.com about this vintage interior image that Mr. Dave Klepper posted back in August 2020. Our Sunchatters know what my answer is to the question he posted...

This is an inteior of an R10 in service OR R9 1575 that was rebuilt to be the sample for the R10 order. My NYCTA experts tell me there is no way to determine which of the two it would be. Does anyone else have a clue?

Dave, you are reading this post somewhere, or if someone can alert you about this, the answer that this is a bona fide R-10 car. The giveaway at first are the 12-inch diameter fans and their connecting arms, which are basically positioned out straight.

Car #1575, an R-7A rebuilt to look like an R-10, had to have its fan sockets adjusted and amended, looking "droopy" in a downward angle, after their original 10 inch ones were replaced with the 12-inch units eleven days after their public display at 34th Street-6th Avenue on 7/11/1947.

With the top of its bulk head with the auxiliary lights to small, it was necessitated to have some room needed for the new fans on #1575. When the production line of the R-10's came about, the fan bulk head was slightly modified with a refined version.

Also, the R-10's side door panels do not have the pressed square frame around the car's windows, but #1575's does. The front storm door interior on the R-10 has a pressed rounded corner frame, where #1575 had the square ones, but on that museum car, only just one, as it was replaced by at one end salvaged from an R-10.

All of this comes from a message thread that shows brand new R-10 cars being delivered to the Coney Island Yard, with Dave Klepper's own pictures, so the real credit goes to him. The link is right there for you to view...

Winter 1947-48 delivery of R10 Subway cars via South Brooklyn Ry.

Plwase note that the R-10's were actually delivered 1948-1949 though.

-William A. Padron
["Wash. Hts.-207th St."]


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