|
|
| Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault? (1519186) | |||
 |
|||
| Home > SubChat | |||
|
[ Read Responses | Post a New Response | Return to the Index ] |
|
||
|
Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault? |
|
|
Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 21 01:29:21 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Jsun21 on Sun Jul 21 00:25:57 2019. The MTA has internal safety numbers that very clearly indicate the assaults on Railroad and RTO staff have gone up. T/O is up 50% from 2017-18, Conductors went up by about 3%.Up from what? "Up 50%" could mean 750 instead of 500; it could also mean 3 instead of 2. That the increase is far more pronounced among T/Os than conductors makes me wonder. No, that's an extrapolation, I responded to your claim that crime on the MTA is completely out of MTA control, which is false as the MTA has a police department in its direct chain of command and can choose how to deploy those resources. The fact that it doesn't pursue the use of MTAPD on the subways among other things is what needs to be changed. How would it deploy them? My point is the MTA needs to have an aggressive approach in the known locations where assaults routinely occur and that the harassment, the fact that someone was able to assault a Conductor at Stillwell and escape when the station is within walking distance of two precincts is very telling of the level of cooperation between MTA and NYPD. The NYPD isn't primarily concerned with the protection of the MTA You're describing the typical police response to most crime. This isn't something unique or intrinsic to MTA workers. I'm simply going off of what the fare beaters tell me or say to other members of my crew, no assumption required. So literally every farebeater has said that to you, personally? There's a reason I included the "en masse." You're (a) relying on straw man arguments, and (b) once again substituting anecdotes for data. As you would say, citation needed "Fare evasion is a nonviolent offense" is self-evident; no citation required. It defies belief that jumping a turnstile constitutes a violent act. "There's no evidence that..." precedes a negative claim, which does not need to be affirmatively proven. So no citations are required on my part. The short answer is yes. 40% More likely to be the victim of intentional violence per the BLS https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/osh/case/ostb4370.pdf You might want to explain that, since your link doesn't seem to say what you think it says. The criminal justice reference service even pins the number at 50% more likely per 1000 employees. https://www.ncjrs.gov/ovc_archives/ncvrw/2017/images/en_artwork/Fact_Sheets/2017NCVRW_WorkplaceViolence_508.pdf Your second link only compares "transportation" with "retail" and thus isn't really specific enough to say anything specific about subway crew. Yep, worked in retail, tourist traps, non-profits, Commercial Airlines and Railroading. Once again, anecdotes aren't data. The question "have you worked retail?" wasn't meant to be taken literally. Yes but the TWU already believes that this is part of a rampant increase What is their evidence that this is part of a distinct increase? As far as no Union calling for a strike over assaults, Detroit would like to have a word with you There is a fundamental difference between bus drivers (who lack the relative safety of an enclosed operating cab) striking after a consistent upwards trend in assaults and subway conductors striking after one. (Or even a handful.) I didn't say "no union ever strikes over workplace safety," I said "one assault does not constitute a workplace safety issue that a union would strike over." I fear you have shredded another straw man. TWU worker safety is a big item in every contract, if things break down anything could happen And if things break down and violence returns to 1980s levels, then that will be a situation completely unrelated to the point that I made. Will there be a strike over these two incidents, no unlikely Exactly. eventually if the protests don't work, it does reach a tipping point Then that will be a separate situation entirely. "No union would strike over one or two assaults on their members by randos" does not imply the union won't strike if assaults become regular enough that the workplace becomes hazardous. However, we aren't there yet. "Now who's using straw man arguments?" No one on this side of the internet, you've said it's a petty crime either in reference to a murder or assaulting Transportation personnel in the line of duty No, I said fare evasion was a petty offense. Falsely claiming that I called assault or murder a petty offense and then trying to debunk that in lieu of my actual claim is a textbook example of a straw man argument. Your second point also states that crime is historically low, either you're referring to crimes against civilians which is not what the OP is discussing Unless you're claiming that subway crew are substantially more likely to be assaulted than anyone else (which none of your links have suggested) then a low overall crime rate is relevant to the topic. or it is in reference to the number of RTO assaults in which case that is false. Citation needed. Are you seriously claiming a conductor is more likely to be assaulted now than in 1995? 1980? 1960? |
|
(There are no responses to this message.)
|
|