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Re: re-open lirr woodhaven underground

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Mar 23 15:24:12 2017, in response to Re: re-open lirr woodhaven underground, posted by sloth on Thu Mar 23 14:05:50 2017.

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Regarding Elmhurst, a 10-minute direct commute to Penn

As per current Pt Wash schedule, running time between Woodside and Penn is 11 to 12 minutes. Add 1/3 the running time between Woodside and Main St and the running time between Elmhurst and Penn will be between 14 and 15 minutes.

Queens service is spotty on the Pt Wash during am rush hour. It's only 2 trains per hour for trains making local stops between Bayside and Penn. Add 15 minutes average waiting time to your trip.

LIRR makes only 1 stop in Manhattan. That's great, if your destination is Penn. However, most business destinations are now north of 42nd St. Travel from Penn to the midtown destination must be added - another 15 minutes.

That 10 minute direct connection is closer to 14 (travel) + 15 (wait) + 15 (last mile) = 44 minutes.

Running time for the R between Elmhurst Ave and Herald Sq is 31 minutes with a 7 minute headway (3.5 min wait time) That makes the maximum trip 35 minutes and less for getting off uptown.

Running time for the M between Elmhurst Ave and Herald Sq is 27 minutes with a 6 minute headway (3 min wait time). This makes the maximum trip 30 minutes and less for getting off uptown.

.... is not comparable to Queens Blvd local service.

You're right. The Queens Blv local service is quicker, when all factors are included.

It [LIRR] could draw riders from Grand Ave, and from 82nd and 90th as well

The walking distance to LIRR would further add to the LIRR's longer commute time.

pie in the sky plans to build new infrastructure

That generally characterizes plans to extend subway service to 25% of NYC's population that's not within walking distance of an existing station.

...it's cheap, and has a tangible benefit.

vs. what characterizes plans to provide at best marginally improved service to those who are within walking distance of an existing station.

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