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Re: Shuttle of New York City

Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Thu Aug 4 00:44:33 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Wed Aug 3 23:35:50 2016.

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Hello Nate:

That likely may have been true also, but the BMT EL Cars used EL Style "SLED" 3rd Rail Shoes similar to IRT EL Car sled shoes, so the BMT could have run its BMT EL Cars thru the 162nd St tunnels at E. 162nd Street to 8th Avenue...as, heh, perhaps "shuttles" ?

However, as the Jerome (Woodlawn) line mainline subway Tunnels were NOT built to EL car heights, so ONLY IRT (or BMT) steel subway trains with nearly one foot lower roofs than wood IRT and BMT EL cars, could run in the Woodlawn Line Subway Tunnels south towards Manhattan.

As the BMT Standards were already around and operating some years before 1917 when the Jerome EL (and 9th Ave EL connection twin ramps over river Avenue down to 162nd St.) were being built - and then given to the IRT for used and sole operation - the 162nd street tunnel was built to clear IRT EL & Subwa Car widths by the time it was constructed. When was it, some time in 1916 just after the IRT purchased the NY&N RR Putnam line W. 155th St. Station easterly low-level island platform and its 2 station tracks and Harlem River bridge.

So regardless, BMT 10' wide (Standards, D-Types, etc) cars could not operate thru that 162nd street IRT-Car width designed tunnel. But WHY was the tunnel not made to clear IRT Subway position covered 3rd rail and its 3rd rail paddle shoes ??? Regardless of 10' wide BMT Standard subway cars which used SUBWAY paddle shoes also !

It WAS built to clear IRT "EL Car" (and theoretically, figuratively BMT "EL Car")bodies having drop sled type 3rd rail shoes designed only for EL style and positioned 3rd rail !

How and where was it designed or planned to connect with the IRT Broadway EL line clear over Coogans Bluff huge hillside near Riverdale (off the Hudson) (note the approx 10 story or more height of the Macoombs Dam roadway bridge Trestle to the top of the bluff !)

This would be very interesting historical info !

ALSO - re: Sedgwick Ave Station railings, notice that during the Manhattan 2nd, 3rd and 9th Avenue EL's third express track installation projects, in 1915 thru 1917 -- the three new 3rd ave EL Bowery Express Stations, and the 3rd Ave. and 9th Ave. EL's new Hump Express upper level station platforms, had the same Contract I railings Just as did the new stations on the 3rd tracked Bronx 3rd Ave EL !

Regards - Joe F

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