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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Wed Aug 3 23:15:16 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Wed Aug 3 20:21:39 2016. Hello Nate and T-RatYes, Nate is correct - As I was told by an old and now deceased New Haven Railroad employee pal -- the BMT EL gate cars were towed north to and scrapped at Starlite Park -- towed up the New Haven RR (*****) to E. 174th Street NYW&B Railway one time 4-track Jct, then towed up via the one connection track-and-switch to the former NB local NYW&B track up to the long crossover between NB and SB NYW&B local tracks on the steel viaduct just outside the south end of the NYWW&B E. 180 St Station. And then reversed and sent back south down the former NYW&B SB Local "scrap track" to the edge of the former Starlite Park Grounds just past and south of the stone piers for the then under construction Cross Bronx X-way. A crane-lifted them one by one off the Embankment R-o-W and the BMT EL Gate Cars lined up and were burned at the NORTH end of the scrap yard, along with surplus IRT 3rd Ave. EL and surplus old IRT subway cars filling most of the rest of the yard! Here are two photos I have -- BELOW - is seen a BMT 700 series center door motor gate car just south past and next top the Cross Bx. X-way pier on the west side of the NYW&B Embankment and its SB Local track, ready to be lifted off and lowered to the scrap grounds.  BELOW - was taken from the E. 174th Street auto bridge looking north along the former Starlite Amusement Park now scrap grounds, with Bronx River at left, and Cross Bronx X-way crossing overhead but still NOT finished -- and a string of center door BMT EL Motor Gate center-door cars on the NYW&B S/B local "scrapping yards access" track. The arch roof building is the former Starlite Amusement Park Arena Coliseum, then being used as a repair and garage facility for Surface Transportation System MACK and GMC red and cream transit buses. IRT Steel Low-V and Hi-V Class Hedley, Deck Roof and Gibbs Subway cars are being scrapped...some already burned, some not burned and still fully intact( seen at the left.) So how can I tell where the "burned" Hi-V GIBBS cars are? As they were the first new built IRT subway cars, they were steel bodied but built with canvas covered WOODEN ROOFS. The burned GIBBS cars are those seen with their roofs burned away ! All later IRT subway cars were ALL STEEL bodied, including roofs.  (****) One note of history. I never did determine exactly 4 decades ago from my NHRR employee pal, if the BMT EL Gate cars were .... (a)-- NHRR diesel towed over the Hell Gate Bridge via LIRR-NHRR-SBK interchange tracks in Brooklyn & Queens, OR -- (b)-- Towed by SBK from Coney Island BMT Yards over Macdonald Ave (under the BMT Culver EL) to LIRR Parkside Junction with SBK Macdonald Av. tracks, and from there to either the SBK or LIRR NHRR railcar floats in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, then north up the East River, and to the NHRR Freight Yards car float bridges at E. 132nd Street, (Bronx) Harlem River, and then towed by NHRR diesel thru the NHRR freight yards eastward to the track connection to the NHRR Hell Gate (East Bronx 4-track Mainline) -- and from there, towed north up to E. 174th street Jct. to the former NYW&B Railway trackage(then owned by the NYCTS-NYCTA). I would suspect that (b) was the more obvious route. I guess that detail is now long lost in history. Just some ancient history for sharing from those of us who were around like Nate G and I were back then! Regards - Joe F |
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