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Re: Can F local trains from Manhattan terminate at CHurch Av when express service begins in fall 2017?

Posted by Michael549 on Wed May 25 22:27:41 2016, in response to Can F local trains from Manhattan terminate at CHurch Av when express service begins in fall 2017?, posted by SI 93 on Wed May 25 20:16:28 2016.

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SI 93 asks:

So can F local trains from Manhattan terminate at Church Av when express service begins in the fall 2017 instead of terminating at Kings Highway and going back to Manhattan (except those that are going back to Avenue X Yard would have to terminate at Kings Highway)?

My answer:

Of course they can. The question is not whether something "can" be done, it is whether something "should" be done. There is a difference between "can" and "should".

Right now the F-line terminates F-trains in Brooklyn at the Kings Highway station, and the Coney Island terminal, while also sending trains to and from the Coney Island train yard at Avenue X. This kind of well understood operation has taken place for decades.

The Church Avenue station has a lower level 4-track train layup and relay area which is currently used to terminate and relay G-trains. Each of the layup/relay tracks can hold a 600-feet regular train, and every track can be used for the terminate and relay operation to return a train to passenger service. Since current G-trains are 300-feet in length - 2 of such G-trains can "fit" on one layup track

Considering the length of the ramps that lead both to and from this layup area and given the lengths of current G-trains, a small number of trains could be held in that storage area, while still allowing the regular terminate and relay operation of the G-line. There is a certain kind of efficiency to the whole operation because of the shorter G-trains.

Full length F-trains would change the current operation and practices that storage place. Having both short G-trains, and full-length F-trains terminate and relay at that station would change the mix of layup tracks that have to held completely free versus partially occupied. This could bring about certain kinds of inefficient and time consuming operations at the Church Avenue station.

Can F-trains be terminated at Church Avenue? Of course they can - the Church Avenue station was the full-time 24/7/365 terminal of the full-size trains on that route before its connection to the Culver elevated section.

Should F-trains be terminated at the Church Avenue station during the rush hours?

My answer is probably not.
Mike


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