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Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?

Posted by Michael549 on Tue Dec 29 15:52:17 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 07:52:28 2015.

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From a previous message:

"BAD IDEA... You are diverting express trains to local tracks and vice versa, thus delaying the entire railroad.."

I believe that there is some confusion about what I've proposed.

Again my proposal for the new Second Avenue line was simple! As I said weeks or a few months ago, and repeated recently - I'd have the N & Q trains travel EXPRESS between 96th Street/Second Avenue, and their respective routes in Brooklyn to Coney Island. I said that I would revive the W-train as the full-time LOCAL from Astoria to Whitehall Street, with additional rush hour service from Canal Street/City Hall layup area, and the 9th Avenue station in Brooklyn. During the midnight hours, I'd have the W-train extended to Coney Island by the Sea Beach line - as the midnight hour LOCAL service - that connects to the R-midnight hour shuttle. Meaning that the Q and W would become the full-time 24/7/365 routes on the Broadaway line, with the Q-train as the full-time express, and W-train as the full-time local train. To me this removed complexity, and the switching between local and express tracks - hence speedier service.

This time and as before there were questions about the numbers of subway cars needed for each proposed route, and how to shuffle trains among those routes. There were also questions & concerns that the MTA might just add service to the N-train route in order to have the same or similar frequent service Astoria needs.

Wallyhorse had made suggestions that N-trains could be short-turned at 57th Street during the stream of N & Q trains to 96th Street. I objected to that idea because I felt it added un-needed complexity to what should be a simple set of operations - express trains stay express, and local trains remain local. (Granted under this scheme there would be merging/switching operations for the R and W trains, at the 11th Avenue Cut, Canal Street, Whitehall Street or 36th Street/9th Avenue - but that can not be helped, and is necessary.)

I grant that I'm not good at making train schedules or figuring out the car requirements for various train services. I thought however the proposal that I made was clear, simple and not complex.

I do not understand where the confusion came from.

I also realize that the MTA will do what ever it is they are gonna do.

Mike

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