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Re: NY Post: L train almost eliminated?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 20:39:41 2012, in response to Re: NY Post: L train almost eliminated?, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Feb 26 16:12:15 2012.

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And drop the pretense about "the Brooklyn side fell." Decline and other crap did not stop at St. Nicholas or Cypress. It may have been masked better but that is all.
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And drop the pretense about "the Brooklyn side fell." Decline and other crap did not stop at St. Nicholas or Cypress. It may have been masked better but that is all. Property values may not have fallen as dramatically as "the Brooklyn Side" but decline they did, and they did not begin appreciating anything worth mentioning again until around 2003. I had other relatives on Seneca by Grove and their neighborhood got rather sketchy by the mid-70s as well...they and friends of theirs were mugged or burglarized a number of times (which made them ultimately move out by the mid-80s). I myself was nearly mugged on 2 different occasions walking Gates between Onderdonk & Woodward on the way to visit friends in the late 1980s (and they were burglarized 3 times, mugged 4 times, and had their car broken into a half-dozen times between 1986 and 1989).


You are totally exaggerating that the QUeens side got "bad". I lived there, and I never had a problem. I lived there until the mid 90's, and my family since the 40's, so I know very well what was "bad" and what was not bad. I don't know where they were walking when getting mugged on Gates near Woodward, but I never heard anything like that, and didn't live far from there. The only thing that you aren't exaggerating about is the fact that cars were broken into a lot in the 80's. That's absolutely true, but that was true for MUCH of Queens, Queens had a huge problem with car theft and break ins in the 80's, not just "Ridgewood".

The city, not the Post Office dictated whether something was in Kings or Queens county (though, in practice, the city routinely ignored the border as it saw fit). The city's declarations determined the infrastructure, political and economic jurisdictions.

And yes, it absolutely was the post office that delivered the Ridgewood (Queens) mail out of the Brooklyn Post office until 1980.

Property values may not have fallen as dramatically as "the Brooklyn Side" but decline they did, and they did not begin appreciating anything worth mentioning again until around 2003.

LOL!! Much like the rest of the city got a burst in the 2000's. The values went up in Ridgewood as evenly as other parts of the city in the 70's to the 90's. They did not fall like they did on the Brooklyn side.


My great-aunt's and uncle's deeds for the bakery on Wyckoff and the building they lived in on the north/west side of Harman said they were in Ridgewood, county of Queens; the ones for the other side of Harman said Ridgewood, county of Kings. The city never could explain why the property on the "Brooklyn" side was deeded as being in Queens, or why their property tax bills had them going back and forth between Brooklyn, Queens or sometimes even being billed twice (once for each county): The buildings were blocks from the border on the map

Only because the original border went as a straight line instead of the zig zag on streets it does now. If you draw a straight line from the two ends of the zig zag starting at around Flushing Ave and Cypress and straight down to Moffat and Irving (by the railroad tracks, Moffat is cut off on the map although you can see the corner), that was the original border. It's QUITE clear why you had that discrepancy at Harman and Wyckoff, as that would have been right in the line with the original border, before they realigned the border. As I said, the original line cut not only through blocks, but through houses! Someone could have a kitchen in Brooklyn and a bedroom in Queens with the old set up. There's no controversy at all as to why they would have had that discrepancy, I am telling you why there was that discrepancy. With the new line, it was quite clear Harman and Wyckoff was already deep in Brooklyn (when I say "deep", I mean very clearly in Brooklyn, not like the streets right on the border (like parts of wyckoff where one side is Brooklyn and the other Queens. The border by Harman is not even near Wyckoff, it's way up at Cypress. THAT's what I meant by "deep" in.

Most of the time you saw 83rd Precinct cars and beat cops all the way up by Woodward, not the Queens cops

I NEVER saw anything but 104th Precinct cars, and I was right off Woodward.

ConEd and the phone company considered them all in Queens but the gas, water and DOT said all of them (including Onderdonk) were in Brooklyn.

I TOLD you why that was the case. Until 1980, all of Ridgewood was served out of the Brooklyn Post office. Our address numbers were even in the Brooklyn 1X-XX number sequence. It wasn't until Forest Ave where they jumped into the 60-XX Queens sequence. All our mail, until 1980 came to Brooklyn, NY 11227, even though were were far from the Brooklyn border (about 5 blocks actually). It was because the post office in Brooklyn served us, not the Queens post office. In 1980, Ridgewood got it's 11385 Queens zip code, and served out of the Queens post office. The border didn't change, only the post office designation did, that is why you would have gotten "Brooklyn" mail on Onderdonk Ave, no other reason. We got the same thing. In the 30's, my grandparents lived over at Harman and Woodward, and their mail was all "Brooklyn 27, NY also". The border didn't change.





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