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Re: NY Post: L train almost eliminated?

Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Feb 26 16:12:15 2012, in response to Re: NY Post: L train almost eliminated?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 13:11:05 2012.

2 blocks is *NOT* "deep" into anywhere; were we talking past Central Avenue, then your logic would follow. Your repeated insistence that it is, plus referring to the "Brooklyn side of the border" is nothing short of snobbishness, if not condescension. Practically no one in Ridgewood gave much thought to where someplace was in relation to the Brooklyn line was, much less the border of Ridgewood and Bushwick until things started sliding around 1967-68: *THAT* is when it suddenly became a big deal.

And drop the pretense about "the Brooklyn side fell." Decline and other crap did not stop at St. Nicholas or Cypress. It may have been masked better but that is all. Property values may not have fallen as dramatically as "the Brooklyn Side" but decline they did, and they did not begin appreciating anything worth mentioning again until around 2003. I had other relatives on Seneca by Grove and their neighborhood got rather sketchy by the mid-70s as well...they and friends of theirs were mugged or burglarized a number of times (which made them ultimately move out by the mid-80s). I myself was nearly mugged on 2 different occasions walking Gates between Onderdonk & Woodward on the way to visit friends in the late 1980s (and they were burglarized 3 times, mugged 4 times, and had their car broken into a half-dozen times between 1986 and 1989).

The city, not the Post Office dictated whether something was in Kings or Queens county (though, in practice, the city routinely ignored the border as it saw fit). The city's declarations determined the infrastructure, political and economic jurisdictions.

My great-aunt's and uncle's deeds for the bakery on Wyckoff and the building they lived in on the north/west side of Harman said they were in Ridgewood, county of Queens; the ones for the other side of Harman said Ridgewood, county of Kings. The city never could explain why the property on the "Brooklyn" side was deeded as being in Queens, or why their property tax bills had them going back and forth between Brooklyn, Queens or sometimes even being billed twice (once for each county): The buildings were blocks from the border on the map. ConEd and the phone company considered them all in Queens but the gas, water and DOT said all of them (including Onderdonk) were in Brooklyn. Most of the time you saw 83rd Precinct cars and beat cops all the way up by Woodward, not the Queens cops. The DMV went back and forth repeatedly reissuing their registrations and plates to reflect which way the wind was blowing. Insurance went back and forth over the years as to which county they were in, frequently contradicting the "official" county designation; the premiums were lower if they put them in Queens but higher in Brooklyn. The Assembly and school districts were the most confusing: Even Grover Cleveland High was in and out of a Brooklyn school district a few times in the 50s and 60s (in spite of there being no question that it was on the Queens side).

That nonsense was why folks didn't give a crap about where anyone from outside said the boundaries were, and simply used Irving and Myrtle as the de facto western and southern boundaries for Ridgewood for the first 3/4 of the 20th century.


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