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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 19 17:05:20 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Feb 19 10:52:55 2012.

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(In the case of Amtrak and Metro-North on the Hudson Line, this would not give any particular operational flexiblity) (not me)

The ability of running both current third rail equipment and overhead AC catenary equipment doesn't count as flexible to you?

Why are you quoting yourself as me?

No, it's not particularly flexible, since you asked. Especially if the pipe-dream of wires on the Hudson Line were to be viable.

It's about being able to use current equipment until you get new ones

What is?

"Diesel operation under catenary (wire, something that not only MBTA but NJT, Amtrak, Connecticut DOT and MARC do)" was not what I was discussing, certainly. Unless you're conceding that there will never be wires on the Hudson Line, and never be third rail or wires on the West Side Line?

"The AC/DC third-rail/catenary EMUs have a lot more physical equipment on them than your Arrow III"

That could be said for the AC only Silverliner V too. M7s have also more equipment than M1s. The difference between current DC only equipment and current AC only equipment is much greater than between current AC only equipment and current AC/DC capable equipment


Cosmopolitans have duplicate electrification equipment on board. That's more moving (and static) parts, and inherently more complexity than any other EMU.

"You're the one who brought up new-build HSR"

Again, just for frequency of service and you're bringing up matters that have nothing to do with what I said


But your argument is a false one. When you have longer block lengths due to operating at higher speed, that puts a limit on your possible service frequencies. You're equating new-build HSR with the Empire Corridor, when there's no equaling the two; it's apples and oranges.

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