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Re: Sea Beach, Culver, Brighton

Posted by Ed Alfonsin on Fri Jan 21 12:44:52 2011, in response to Re: Sea Beach, Culver, Brighton, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Jan 21 12:24:51 2011.

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Larry, RedbirdR33 gives some good information.

The BMT numbers were in use in printed material and were officially re-approved by the Public Service Commission around 1925, with "-Canarsie" added to number 16 around that time. Until R-1s were used in Fourth Avenue service to Astoria, no numbers were used on either IRT or BMT service to Astoria.

The IRT numbers were a Board of Transportation invention after WWII when the decision was made to have a smaller version of the R-10 for IRT lines (R-12 and R-14)--I've heard that the B of T and the City claimed that as a municipal agency they were no longer subject to PSC regulation. I don't know if the State (PSC) ever challenged the City--if so, they lost.

Reminds me of the ongoing question of who actually owns the subway system, regardless of how construction may be funded.

Ed Alfonsin
Potsdam, New York

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