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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 02:03:20 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 01:22:22 2014.

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I love this country enough to make me want to stop what your side is doing to it. America is for EVERYBODY, not just a chosen few. Deal with it.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 3 02:07:06 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 02:03:20 2014.

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the america is for everybody is what drives ChicagoMotorman mad

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 02:12:21 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 3 02:07:06 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
He's going to have to learn to deal with it ... we don't have anywhere else to go, so we've got to make it work here. I just can't get over all this rage. Worries me that we're going to have to set up fire lines around here and be shooting at raging republicans. I'm not looking forward to playing Ukraine up here. :(

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 3 02:15:42 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 02:12:21 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
going to war never works !
:(
oh well my opinion on this

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 02:16:54 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 3 02:15:42 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Funny thing is that the old fashioned concept of "war" involved trenches and guns. MODERN war is purely economics. And we're LOSING our asses! :(

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 3 02:18:03 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 02:16:54 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
that is true !
coming apart at the seams

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 02:26:11 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 3 02:18:03 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
And GOOD people need to stop it because these folks are only working on making it worse all around. :(

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 3 02:26:53 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 02:26:11 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
true
i see your point good

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 02:30:24 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 3 02:26:53 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Let he who is without Fox News cast the first stone. Or move to Colorado and get stoned regularly. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Heh.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 3 02:57:04 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 3 02:07:06 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Yup
Loves America, hates Americans.

What an asshole.

Your pal,
Fred

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 08:37:42 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 02:03:20 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You're trying to make me stop loving my country?

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 08:39:53 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 02:30:24 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Or Newsmax TV.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 08:41:55 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 3 02:57:04 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No I hate Americans that hate America.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 17:17:52 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 08:39:53 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
They have a TV?!?!?! How do they get the viruses onto the TV's? That sounds challenging? :)

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 17:28:40 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 08:37:42 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
How can you possibly come to that conclusion?

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 19:32:54 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 17:28:40 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
That's how I am interpeting what you're saying.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 19:36:11 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 19:32:54 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Then you're interpreting it wrong. I want a BETTER America, not a Mad Max clone.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 19:38:07 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 17:17:52 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Channel 349 on my Directv.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 19:39:18 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 19:36:11 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
America can only get better.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 19:49:12 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 19:38:07 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Glad I dropped them. :)

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 19:49:57 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 19:39:18 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
It's gonna take a LOT of repair work.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 19:52:54 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 19:49:57 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
After the damage obama has done. Yes.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 19:53:40 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 19:52:54 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Your guys have that score beat by plenty.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Jul 3 20:07:47 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 3 19:53:40 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
My country will survive obama. I'm not sure it can survive people like you.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jul 3 22:20:26 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Jul 2 20:21:32 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
And you are still the stupid one here. A Chicago motorman who quit in his 50's!!!!!!!

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jul 3 22:26:03 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Jul 3 08:41:55 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You mean the Tea Party Republicans!!!

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jul 3 22:27:41 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Jul 3 20:07:47 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
The next president will be a Democrat!!!!

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 4 01:14:37 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Jul 3 20:07:47 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
America is surviving Obama just fine DESPITE people like you. Now all we've got to do is finish cleaning up your mess and giving you guys something worthwhile to do like digging ditches, fixing roads, anything useful.

Gotta love you republicans ... you make a big mess, then expect the black guy to clean it up while you burn a cross on his lawn and then bitch about the "wet floor" signs.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Jul 4 04:34:43 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 4 01:14:37 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
iawtp !

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jul 4 06:34:19 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 4 01:14:37 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Good morning. Dont want to agrue with you or anyone today on our nations most important holiday. Happy independance day, and a huge thank you to Our founding fathers.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 4 09:49:46 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jul 4 06:34:19 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
This country was born out of argument in the Continental Congress.

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 4 09:57:06 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 4 09:49:46 2014.

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Argument is good as long as you don't start calling people traitors, Nazis, etc. just because you disagree with them. And it should never go in the direction that Rep. Preston Brooks took things.



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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 4 10:00:13 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by AlM on Fri Jul 4 09:57:06 2014.

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I wonder how many people will get that reference without looking it up?

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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 4 10:03:21 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 4 10:00:13 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I had to look it up. I remembered Sumner by name (probably because I used to live in Boston) but not Brooks.



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Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 4 10:12:31 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by AlM on Fri Jul 4 10:03:21 2014.

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I'm still annoyed that they renamed Sumner Avenue in Brooklyn to Marcus Garvey Blvd, even though it happened before I could remember, and possibly before I was even born.

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Re: Hey Selkirk.......................Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 4 13:13:50 2014, in response to Re: Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jul 4 06:34:19 2014.

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Hey Selkirk, should I read between the lines why you haven't responded to me? You always respond back to me, and then some.

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Re: Hey Selkirk.......................Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 4 13:19:15 2014, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk.......................Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 4 13:13:50 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Parades, barbecue, too busy right now. Bingbong's hogging the iPad. :)

See yas later after the fireworks.

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Re: Hey Selkirk.......................Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 4 13:22:32 2014, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk.......................Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 4 13:19:15 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
OK cool! I'll be going with the niece and great niece to the 4th of July parade in Evanston today. IRM tomorrow.

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Re: Hey Selkirk.......................Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Jul 4 15:06:48 2014, in response to Re: Hey Selkirk.......................Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Jul 4 13:22:32 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
the IRM museum ?
if so i wish i could go there

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Re: DENNIS PRAGER IS ANOTHER EXTREMIST RW NUTJOB

Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Jul 6 09:07:31 2014, in response to Why the Left's Preoccupation with the Redskins?: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by DANd124 on Tue Jul 1 21:06:44 2014.

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THAT'S ENOUGH SAID ABOUT THE NUTJOB DENNIS PRAGER. HE SHARES DRUGS WITH HIS BUDDY RUSH LIMBERGER CHEESE......

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Re: DENNIS PRAGER IS ANOTHER EXTREMIST RW NUTJOB

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jul 6 11:16:41 2014, in response to Re: DENNIS PRAGER IS ANOTHER EXTREMIST RW NUTJOB, posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Jul 6 09:07:31 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
iawtp

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Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by DanD124 on Wed Jul 9 12:48:23 2014, in response to Dennis Prager's "important thinking" of the week, posted by DAnD124 on Tue Mar 4 16:29:01 2014.

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http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2014/07/08/america-wont-be-good-without-god-n1860008

On page 563 of his latest biography — John Quincy Adams: American Visionary — author Fred Kaplan (biographer of Abraham Lincoln, Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, and Gore Vidal among others) cites this insight of the sixth president:

Christianity had, all in all, he believed, been a civilizing force, “checking and controlling the anti-social passions of man.”

That insight is pretty much all an American needs to know in order to understand why the American Founders considered religion — specifically ethical monotheism rooted in the Hebrew Bible — indispensable to the American experiment; and why the America we have known since 1776 is in jeopardy.

It is easy to respect secular Americans who hold fast to the Constitution and to American values generally. And any one of us who believes in God can understand why some people, given all the unjust suffering in the world, just cannot believe that there is a Providential Being.

But one cannot respect the view that America can survive without the religious beliefs and values that shaped it. The argument that there are moral secularists and moral atheists is a non sequitur. Of course there are moral Americans devoid of religion. So what? There were moral people who believed in Jove. But an America governed by Roman religion would not be the America that has been the beacon of freedom and the greatest force for good in the world.

In order to understand why, one only need understand John Quincy Adams’s insight: How will we go about “checking and controlling the anti-social passions of man” without traditional American religious beliefs?

There are two possible responses:

One is that most Americans (or people generally, but we are talking about America here) do not have anti-social passions.

The other is that most Americans (again, like all other human beings) do have anti-social passions, but the vast majority of us can do a fine job checking and controlling them without religion as it has been practiced throughout American history.

These are views with which virtually every American who attends secular high school or university is explicitly and implicitly indoctrinated.

Both are wrong. And not just wrong, but foolish — and lethal to the American experiment.

To deny that human beings are filled with anti-social passions defies reality and betrays a lack of self-awareness. One has to be taught nonsense for a great many formative years to believe it.

If we weren’t born with anti-social passions — narcissism, envy, lust, meanness, greed, hunger for power, just to name the more obvious — why the need for so many laws, whether religious or secular, that govern behavior?

The second objection is that, even if we do have anti-social passions, we don’t need a God or religion in order to control them. Only moral primitives, the argument goes, need either a judging God or a religious set of rules. The Enlightened can do fine without them and need only to consult their faculty of reason and conscience to know how to behave.

Our prisons are filled with people whose consciences are quite at peace with their criminal behavior. As for reason, they used it well — to figure out how to get away with everything from murder to white-collar crime.

But our prisons are not filled with religious Jewish and Christian murderers. On the contrary, if all Americans attended church weekly, we would need far fewer prisons; and the ones we needed would have very few murderers in them.

Meanwhile the record of the godless and non-Christianity crowd is awful. I am not simply referring to the godless and secular Communist regimes of the 20th century that committed virtually every genocide of those hundred years. I am referring to those Americans (and Europeans) who use reason to argue, among other foolish things: that good and evil are subjective societal or individual opinions; that gender is purely a social construct and therefore the male and female distinction is of no importance; that marriage isn’t important and is just a piece of paper invented by the religious to keep women down; that a human fetus, even when it has a beating heart, a formed human body, and a conscious brain, has less of a right to life than a cat; and that men, let alone fathers, aren’t necessary. (Think no one really believes the latter? See, for example, The Atlantic’s “Are Fathers Necessary?” and the New York Times’s “Men, Who Needs Them?”) And that is a short list.

For proof of the moral and intellectual consequences of the secularization of America, look at what has happened to the least religious institution in America, the university. Is that the future we want for the whole country?

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Re: Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 9 12:59:29 2014, in response to Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by DanD124 on Wed Jul 9 12:48:23 2014.

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It fell apart here:

Founders considered religion — specifically ethical monotheism rooted in the Hebrew Bible — indispensable

That's not true, the founders knew it, they respected and acknowledged all religions they were aware of, and expected all to have a place in American life for those who chose to follow them.

Guess the "thinking" failed there. I really wish the RW would stop twisting history until they make it fit their delusion. So much gets excluded that way it barely resembles history.

Praeger is just simply nuts.

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Re: Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 9 13:00:57 2014, in response to Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by DanD124 on Wed Jul 9 12:48:23 2014.

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It is easy to respect secular Americans who hold fast to the Constitution and to American values generally. And any one of us who believes in God can understand why some people, given all the unjust suffering in the world, just cannot believe that there is a Providential Being.

What an ignorant idiot. No, that is NOT why people don't believe in God. I have no problem whatsoever with a worldview where God exists and allows suffering. It makes perfect sense.

If we weren’t born with anti-social passions — narcissism, envy, lust, meanness, greed, hunger for power, just to name the more obvious — why the need for so many laws, whether religious or secular, that govern behavior?

To protect those of us without antisocial passions from the minority of people, like Mr. Prager, with them. Because if religion were adequate to protect us from antisocial Pragerites, there would be no need for such laws.

But our prisons are not filled with religious Jewish and Christian murderers. On the contrary, if all Americans attended church weekly, we would need far fewer prisons; and the ones we needed would have very few murderers in them.

How many atheists are there in prison? A lot less than the number in the general public. Seems that atheism makes one less likely to be in prison.

I'll respond to the penultimate paragraph later.

For proof of the moral and intellectual consequences of the secularization of America, look at what has happened to the least religious institution in America, the university. Is that the future we want for the whole country?

Yes.


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Re: Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 9 13:01:54 2014, in response to Re: Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 9 12:59:29 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter"
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 9 13:08:42 2014, in response to Re: Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 9 13:01:54 2014.

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Yep.

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Re: Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 9 13:14:38 2014, in response to Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by DanD124 on Wed Jul 9 12:48:23 2014.

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I go to church weekly because I support the family. Church cultivates strong families. Fine young men and women from St. Francis Prep, Cathedral, Molloy, and Mary Louis Academy.



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Re: Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 9 13:22:59 2014, in response to Re: Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 9 13:14:38 2014.

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That's the problem. With many more people abandoning church, there needs to be a push to establish secular justifications for families.

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Re: Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jul 9 13:31:23 2014, in response to Re: Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 9 13:22:59 2014.

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Instinct always seemed to me to be the best motivating force.

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Re: Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 9 14:07:49 2014, in response to Re: Why America Is in Jeopardy Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 9 13:00:57 2014.

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I'm too lazy to figure out what his logical fallacy is with respect to religious people not being in jail.

Let's assume (for the sake of argument) he's right that people who regularly attend church are underrepresented in our jails.

That doesn't mean you could reduce crime by encouraging attendance at church. Maybe (probably) it's only the people who actively want to attend church even when there is no encouragement who tend not to commit crimes*. If you encouraged people of a criminal mind to attend church, they would probably be just as criminal. They'd just devote their energy to figuring out how to rob the collection basket.

* People who want to attend church tend to have regular lives. People with regular lives tend not to commit crimes.



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