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Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 19 09:19:43 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Amanda on Sun Aug 19 02:10:54 2012. Delivery people are the natural enemies of rosebushes. Nothing you can do. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 19 09:46:52 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Aug 19 05:50:32 2012. Wow, Jeff. Did you ever open a can of worms.I won't even go into the complexity of copyright law. Digital media has made the issue much more complicated, as with music CD publishers who don't want you to sell your legally purchased music CD. Nor the issue of the validity of the license you have with the New York Times which allows them to place contact (e.g., a cookie) on your personal computer, or prohibit you from deleting it. But let's just consider the moral implication. I delete a cookie in order to read an article in the New York Times (not copy, transmit, or otherwise convey to others outside of the bounds of fair use) for the purpose of making a scholarly political point on SubChat for the edification of my fellow scholars, Bingbong, Olog and SMAZ. I have committed a moral crime. Now The New York Times is given explicit access to materials covered by the espionage laws of the United States and other countries by Julian Assange, a person not entitled to have or disseminate those materials and they self-righteously publish it, because it's there and they can. Comparative Morality 101. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 10:09:17 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Aug 19 05:47:39 2012. There is no point in personal attack,spare us all the "liberal morals" crap. This is the digital version of picking up a discarded newspaper on the subway and reading it. Nobody pays for that,either. One isn't supposed to riffle through someone's else's garbage yunno.The trick was disseminated on a technical blog 2 years ago, and the NYT has the right to contact the blog and demand removal of the message to defend their copyright. They have not. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 10:10:31 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 19 00:04:48 2012. Cute :-) |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 10:19:39 2012, in response to Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Amanda on Sun Aug 19 00:09:52 2012. Careful, Jeff Rosen, internet police will write personal attacks about you. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 19 10:30:16 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Aug 19 05:47:39 2012. [Copied from my reply to another of Jeff's posts -- BTW, I am granting the reader a revocable, non-exclusive license to read this post on condition that you pay a ten cent per word license fee (twenty-five cents per word if you move your lips when you read). Your continuing to read this post after the end of the italicized material indicates your acceptance of these terms.]Copyright 2012, SLRT Worldwide Enterprises. Wow, Jeff. Did you ever open a can of worms. I won't even go into the complexity of copyright law. Digital media has made the issue much more complicated, as with music CD publishers who don't want you to sell your legally purchased music CD. Nor the issue of the validity of the license you have with the New York Times which allows them to place contact (e.g., a cookie) on your personal computer, or prohibit you from deleting it. But let's just consider the moral implication. I delete a cookie in order to read an article in the New York Times (not copy, transmit, or otherwise convey to others outside of the bounds of fair use) for the purpose of making a scholarly political point on SubChat for the edification of my fellow scholars, Bingbong, Olog and SMAZ. I have committed a moral crime. Now The New York Times is given explicit access to materials covered by the espionage laws of the United States and other countries by Julian Assange, a person not entitled to have or disseminate those materials and they self-righteously publish it, because it's there and they can. Comparative Morality 101. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 19 10:33:42 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 04:26:00 2012. In fact, Bingbong and I did a weekly comedy talk show on Manhattan Cable DTV Unnameable. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Aug 19 10:59:42 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Aug 19 05:47:39 2012. I don't know if it's a crime, but it's not something that I would do. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 11:06:47 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 19 10:33:42 2012. More like TV unviewable. :-) |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 19 11:18:10 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 11:06:47 2012. Did you do the show from your breakfast table? The Ed and Pegeen Fitzgerald of SubChat. :-) |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 11:21:22 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 19 11:18:10 2012. No, we did it from the studio. Our breakfast table was 90 miles away. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 19 11:43:15 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Aug 19 05:47:39 2012. Huh? The NYTimes makes the article available for free if you enter the applicable url. It's no more theft of service than reading the Times in your public library. It's not as though you're hacking in with a password you stole. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Aug 19 11:52:58 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 19 11:43:15 2012. Obviously that is not their intent since they are charging for users to access more than 10 articles. That there are easy ways to circumvent their policy and no penalties for doing so does not make it right. I'm not saying that it's a crime, but you are misrepresenting their operating policy. |
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Posted by DAND124 on Sun Aug 19 11:55:48 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Easy on Sun Aug 19 11:52:58 2012. they are aware of how easy it is to get around their policy, if they wanted to make it more difficult they would have done so. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Aug 19 11:57:41 2012, in response to Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Amanda on Sun Aug 19 00:09:52 2012. BRENTWOOD IS IN THE HOUSE!!! |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Aug 19 12:00:04 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by DAND124 on Sun Aug 19 11:55:48 2012. lol. They are probably balancing making cheating more difficult with keeping access easy for everyone else. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 19 12:00:49 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 11:21:22 2012. Damn! Your coffee must have been cold by the time you started taping. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Aug 19 12:02:42 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 11:06:47 2012. Was this in the same studio as Glenn O'Brien's "TV Party"? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 12:05:48 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 19 11:43:15 2012. That's right. If you reach an article through a search, it's there. No limit on that. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 12:08:27 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 19 12:00:49 2012. :-) We did it live (it was a call in talk show...people called and we talked) at 7:30 PM Wed. Channel D. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Aug 19 12:08:29 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 12:05:48 2012. Are you sure? I think that only applies for articles older than a certain date. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 12:23:23 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Easy on Sun Aug 19 12:08:29 2012. Nope. Even the new stuff is accessible. It's only when you go through the website or an app that they enforce the limit. Even there, there are exceptions. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 18:40:47 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by SMAZ on Sun Aug 19 12:02:42 2012. Nope ... we ran a studio on 59th, across the street from the IRT powerhouse on one side, CBS on the other. ELA Studios. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 18:42:49 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 12:08:27 2012. And the show lives on here on tardchat. :)For anyone who cares, it was a public call-in comedy show. Folks would call in and we'd taunt them. Became rather popular. Our favorite show was the one when the NFL went on strike that day, so we invited folks to join the "No Football League" ... we even had Bulgarian highlight film. "Hey Poopsie, wanna see my goat?" Heh. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Aug 19 18:45:41 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 18:42:49 2012. Bulgarian, eh? Sounds like a precursor to Borat's Kazakhstan. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 18:55:07 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 10:09:17 2012. Or better, the Times might hire some competent webmasters who can code up the licensing module in Adobe Flash since they're using that on their pages. Adobe action script code can take care of that without using the completely unsophisticated method of putting the count in a cookie where anyone can find it and delete it. That's the reason for my chiding in with that ... their technical staff are idiots. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 19:18:29 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by DAND124 on Sun Aug 19 11:55:48 2012. Slacker geeks ... eating cookies. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 19:20:29 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Easy on Sun Aug 19 12:08:29 2012. And even older than another certain date, then you have to pay even if it's your first time there ever. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 19:50:29 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by italianstallion on Sun Aug 19 18:45:41 2012. It was indeed. Story behind that is that the owner of the studio went on vacation to Bulgaria for a month and failed to put together taped shows for his absence. Cable company called the studio saying "where is tapes?" No tapes. Cable company said "if you don't get tapes over here in time, we cancel show and it goes to the bottom of the list for renewal at some future date.Couldn't produce a show we knew nothing about and had never seen, owner never got back to us with what to do, and so "Bulgaria Today" got replaced by "Bulgarian Surprise Hour" owing to the unnecessary surprise for us and we whipped up a show in two hours and went live with it since there was no time left to tape something and scoot it down to 23rd Street. And so we gave O'Reilly an idea he would use years later ... Now remember ... this was back in the 80's when Ronnie was taunting the Russkies. Needless to say the show was a hit ... not so with Bulgaria though. :) |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Aug 19 20:44:27 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Aug 19 05:50:32 2012. Once a cop, always a cop |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Aug 19 20:46:38 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 05:34:31 2012. Due in large part to these assholes: |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 20:53:38 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Aug 19 20:46:38 2012. Among many MSO's ... and now they're NBC. LOL! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 19 20:59:27 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Aug 19 05:50:32 2012. Nope. If I didn't do this, I have four different devices to read the Times with. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 21:02:04 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 19 20:59:27 2012. And they want you to pay again for EACH device ... the equivalent of charging people if they take their eyeglasses off to read the paper. Intellectual property law is fraught with abuse on the owner's side of the equation which is why so many people feel no compunction to flip the bird at the (often ridiculous) restrictions. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 19 21:05:53 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 21:02:04 2012. I can modify my computer however I want. If I cleared my cookies for maintenance purposes, am I cheating the Times? Their fault for using an idiotic system. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 21:09:03 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 19 21:05:53 2012. In KNOS, the cookies go away automatically when you close the browser except for ones specifically excluded. And it's got to be the most idiotic system ever to put the counter into a cookie which is locally stored. Given that they use Adobe to compose their pages, and Adobe's got DRM up the yingyang built right in, that'd be the way I'd do it. But hey ... I'm sure they're paying their slackers very well over there and are getting what they're paying for in "tech" ... maybe Pogue is doing server maintenance on the side. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 19 21:09:40 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 19 21:05:53 2012. Exactly. They are not defending their copyright. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Aug 19 21:14:31 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Aug 19 20:46:38 2012. Hate to tell you, but Comcast is not an asshole. I've had Comcast since 2002 when the last owner of the Balimore city system got into the AT&T family and the government made the sell a lot of their cable systems. Comcast bought it for $5 Million (then had to put $15M into it to bring it to their standards). Since then ZERO problems with them, and their people have always been very nice to the customers. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 21:17:04 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Aug 19 21:14:31 2012. They're not impressing many customers in other parts of the country between their rate hikes and now their internet caps. Now while your TV service is somewhat rate-regulated for their "basic" tier, there is no regulation or redress for any of their other rate policies. Comcast has not been making friends lately. And as much as I *loathe* TimeWeenie, so far they and the rest of the industry are watching what Comcast is getting away with VERY carefully and will be following. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sun Aug 19 22:40:29 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 19:50:29 2012. What a pro! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 23:14:40 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by Italianstallion on Sun Aug 19 22:40:29 2012. Obviously inspired by the Bulgarian Surprise Hour. :) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Aug 19 23:29:03 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 23:14:40 2012. Heh. Great success! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 23:34:08 2012, in response to Re: Easily Bypass Paywall Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by italianstallion on Sun Aug 19 23:29:03 2012. The visit from the KGB was truly great success ... "why you do these things?" :) |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 20 08:57:37 2012, in response to Re: The New York Times Just Cut Me Off, posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 19 09:46:52 2012. But let's just consider the moral implication. I delete a cookie in order to read an article in the New York Times (not copy, transmit, or otherwise convey to others outside of the bounds of fair use) for the purpose of making a scholarly political point on SubChat for the edification of my fellow scholars, Bingbong, Olog and SMAZ. I have committed a moral crime.No you have not. You have never agreed not to delete cookies. In fact, the Times makes its material available on browsers that have a FEATURE that allows you to delete cookies. That is active Times consent to your deleting cookies when you wish. |
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