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Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 11 17:07:13 2012 This is probably an unexpected gift, because I doubt anyone working for the Romney campaign is smart enough to have so skillfully engineered this:http://www.gallup.com/poll/154628/Six-Say-Obama-Sex-Marriage-View-Won-Sway-Vote.aspx This confirms what I've been saying about the issue: those that approve of same sex marriage do not do so passionately, those that disapprove of it do so PASSIONATELY. Technically, I support it, but it ain't motivating me to do anything. It's #97 on my list of important issues. |
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Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 11 17:24:50 2012, in response to Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 11 17:07:13 2012. I didn't support it passionately, but I do now due to my hatred for everything its foes stand for. My views are evolving too. |
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Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 11 17:28:01 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 11 17:24:50 2012. You hate the Old Testament? Judiasm? Christianity? Islam? |
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Posted by dand124 on Fri May 11 17:33:42 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 11 17:28:01 2012. Judiasm?most jews support same-sex marriage... |
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Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Fri May 11 17:36:00 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 11 17:28:01 2012. you're a fucking retard. I'm proud to hate Je$u$. |
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Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri May 11 18:55:20 2012, in response to Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 11 17:07:13 2012. SIX???? (this isn't worth the bandwidth, Chris)Considering the number of voters the President stands to gain by expressing his opinion on this issue that's hardly a tradeoff. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri May 11 19:08:19 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by bingbong on Fri May 11 18:55:20 2012. So the Gay block is meaningless? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri May 11 19:26:52 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 11 17:28:01 2012. Jesus hated gay marriage so much he was speechless about it. (Kudos to Colbert on this one.) |
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Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him |
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Posted by Easy on Fri May 11 20:24:55 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by italianstallion on Fri May 11 19:26:52 2012. What did Jesus say about sex with children? |
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Posted by Easy on Fri May 11 20:26:39 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Fri May 11 20:24:55 2012. Not saying that they're equivalent, just pointing out that not being on record as disagreeing is not the same as agreeing. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri May 11 20:42:16 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by orange blossom special on Fri May 11 19:08:19 2012. The majority of gay people are likely going to vote for the President. There's little need for a poll to prove that. One thing about gay people is they're generally smart, and know what's in their own best interest. These are not closed minded people we're discussing here. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri May 11 20:49:45 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by bingbong on Fri May 11 20:42:16 2012. I guess that stereotyping gay people is ok when it's a positive stereotype? I'm sure that there are plenty of stupid gay people but as I've said in the past, the more smart/successful you are the easier it is to live openly so that gays are seen as more successful as a group than they might really be. There is that DINKs thing many have going though. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri May 11 21:01:21 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Fri May 11 20:49:45 2012. That's an observation,not a stereotype. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Fri May 11 21:02:28 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Fri May 11 20:49:45 2012. EVERY gay person I've ever encountered was quite intelligent as well as creative and had above average income. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri May 11 21:14:48 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 11 17:28:01 2012. Not per se...but attempts to codify what cannot actually harm society into law. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri May 11 21:23:34 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Rockparkman on Fri May 11 21:02:28 2012. I am quite sure that you are wrong. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri May 11 23:02:08 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Fri May 11 20:24:55 2012. I suspect the same thing as he said about internet porn. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 11 23:13:10 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 11 17:28:01 2012. Pretty much, yeah. At least as far as things like this are concerned. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 11 23:18:18 2012, in response to Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 11 17:07:13 2012. And certainly some newspapers with clueless editors aren't helping matters much either. :) (image likely to be removed soon) |
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Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 13:06:51 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 11 17:28:01 2012. What answer did you expect from me? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 12 13:50:26 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 11 17:24:50 2012. What do I stand for that you hate? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 13:58:29 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Sat May 12 13:50:26 2012. "traditional" whatever. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sat May 12 14:20:10 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Sat May 12 13:50:26 2012. macho STUPIDITY. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 12 14:26:44 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 13:58:29 2012. It's not about tradition for me. If I thought that gay marriage would be a benefit, I would support it.I almost wish that my morality were more flexible or that my sense of right and wrong had more gray, because I do feel like I am going to be on the wrong side of history. Or at the very least the losing side. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat May 12 17:24:41 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Fri May 11 21:23:34 2012. He said ones he encounted. Could be like you said and it's the open ones. I've worked with a few recently that weren't rich, and one had a homeless stint once, but he weren't dumb. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 19:24:13 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Sat May 12 14:26:44 2012. But it's about there being a benefit. One could argue there's a benefit to anything that's wrong. Italian fascism supposedly made the trains run on time. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 12 19:26:06 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 19:24:13 2012. But didn't really ... that's why the TA learned to use pencils on the gap sheets. :) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 12 19:32:32 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by bingbong on Fri May 11 20:42:16 2012. +1,000 |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 12 19:33:18 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 11 23:18:18 2012. LMAOOOOO!!!! |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 12 19:44:49 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 19:24:13 2012. I don't see it as a benefit because I think that it will eventually put an end to all government acknowledgement and incentives for marriage because if defining marriage really is a civil rights issue gay marriage will not be the final re-definition. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 12 19:45:20 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 12 19:33:18 2012. No "pull it surprise" there ... :)(for those who don't get it, keep saying the quoted words over again until it sinks in) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 12 19:51:34 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Sat May 12 19:44:49 2012. How did you arrive at that bizarre conclusion? The ONLY effect that gay marriage will EVER have on marriage or society is that gay and lesbian couples will get married.Marriage IS a civil-rights issue. See Loving v. Virginia. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 12 20:05:46 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 12 19:51:34 2012. Interesting that you use a case about interracial marriage to justify gay marriage and in the same paragraph insist that gay marriage will be the final change to marriage. Things change JayZee and if marriage is a civil rights issue, it's not only gays that deserve civil rights. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 12 20:10:13 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Sat May 12 20:05:46 2012. I didn't say that gay marriage would be the "final change" to marriage. I said the only effect gay marriage would have on the institution of marriage, was that gays and lesbians would get married. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 12 20:22:21 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat May 12 20:10:13 2012. What I mean is that it will open up a new can of worms as marriage will continue to be redefined until the government gets out of the business entirely.Anyway, it's nothing personal and for the gay people that I know that will be able to marry, I will be happy for them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 20:30:53 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Sat May 12 19:44:49 2012. My point is that I don't care if there's a benefit. So long as there is not a severe detriment. I disagree that there would be. I think we would actually be better off destroying the so-called "sanctity" of marriage and once again considering it a contract between two or possibly more people sharing a household.I think I am the only liberal atheist who is "morally" opposed to shacking up without marriage. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 20:31:55 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Sat May 12 20:22:21 2012. Government will not get out of the business, just as the government is in the business of enforcing other contracts. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 12 20:33:06 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 20:30:53 2012. "Sanctity of marriage" is a church thing anyway. All this is about is the LEGAL aspects of marriage, which are denied to some. It's not like St Patty's Cathedral is going to be vogueing it up anytime soon. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 20:38:07 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 12 20:33:06 2012. But the problem is that a lot of people buy in to the "sanctity of marriage" bullshit and believe that this is a legitimate reason for government policy. It is that opinion I loathe deeply. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 12 20:38:32 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 20:31:55 2012. In the near future the government will be out of the "marriage" business, but of course will remain in the contract business and will enforce all legal contracts among any number of people. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 20:39:39 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Sat May 12 20:38:32 2012. That is your opinion but of course I disagree and I am a strong supporter of government marriage as opposed to church marriage. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 12 20:40:15 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 20:30:53 2012. My point is that I don't care if there's a benefit. So long as there is not a severe detriment. I disagree that there would be. I think we would actually be better off destroying the so-called "sanctity" of marriage and once again considering it a contract between two or possibly more people sharing a household.That is exactly what I think is happening and we only disagree in whether that is where we should be headed. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 12 20:41:56 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 20:39:39 2012. Whether it's called a marriage or not, the government will be enforcing the contract. There will be no rules or silly definitions as long as the contracts are legal. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 20:47:13 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Sat May 12 20:40:15 2012. Marriage has already been cheapened by "shacking up." |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 12 20:49:01 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 20:38:07 2012. Same here ... get married in CHURCH if it matters so much ... |
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Posted by Easy on Sat May 12 20:49:37 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 12 20:47:13 2012. I agree and such domestic partnerships, straight or gay, should get no government recognition. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 12 20:52:46 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Sat May 12 20:41:56 2012. And that's really what this whole hoohah is about ... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 12 20:53:16 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by bingbong on Fri May 11 20:42:16 2012. And who would they vote for if not for Obama? They would have voted for him whether he flip flopped or not. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 12 20:56:57 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat May 12 20:53:16 2012. I dunno ... Romney seems kinda "hunkish" ... but then he opens his yap. :) |
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Posted by JayMan on Sat May 12 22:46:55 2012, in response to Re: Gallup: More say Obama same-sex marriage flip-flop more likely to make them NOT vote for him, posted by Easy on Fri May 11 20:49:45 2012. This is a tough call. It is entirely possible that gays have higher IQs on average than do heterosexuals. Hard to say for the reasons you state. |
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