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I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:12:38 2012

Just a FYI for Luch I'm currently posting this from wifi on board Southwest airlines flight 229 from SFO - PHX.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:14:43 2012, in response to I'm on a plane, posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:12:38 2012.

I can't complain about airplanes during Lent. In fact, I many not after Lent.

But I will check out your flight.

Thanks.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by Easy on Mon Apr 2 23:16:27 2012, in response to I'm on a plane, posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:12:38 2012.

I'm flying SWA tomorrow to Sacramento.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:17:35 2012, in response to I'm on a plane, posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:12:38 2012.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA229

You're at 25,000 ft

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:18:00 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 2 23:16:27 2012.

LAX to Sacramento?

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by Easy on Mon Apr 2 23:18:57 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:18:00 2012.

SNA

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:19:11 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 2 23:16:27 2012.

I love Southwest. My flight from PHX - SFO on Friday had 35 passengers inboard and this one has 35. I have an entire row to myself and got a full can of Diet Dr. Pepper.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:20:17 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:17:35 2012.

Yeah he said he was going to cruise at 25,000 which seems low to me.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:21:26 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:20:17 2012.

i agree. it seems low.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Apr 2 23:22:19 2012, in response to I'm on a plane, posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:12:38 2012.

Are there snakes on it? :D

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:22:50 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:21:26 2012.

Normally they seem to cruse at 32,000 - 38,000 feet.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:23:18 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:20:17 2012.

if you look at the log on flightaware, your flight usually cruises at 35,000-40,000ft. ask why you cruised so low when you get off.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:24:56 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:23:18 2012.

It can't be weather as its clear in both SF and PHX right now. There is a lot of turbulence on this flight.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:25:47 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Apr 2 23:22:19 2012.

I'm tired of these MFing snakes on this MFing plane.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by Easy on Mon Apr 2 23:34:42 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:19:11 2012.

I always get full flights but I do like SWA as well. I used to think that it was weird with how they boarded, but it's the best.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:40:19 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 2 23:34:42 2012.

i think it's terrible for long flights. for a short flight, seat is not as important. longer flights, I say let people pick the seat on the net.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:47:57 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 2 23:34:42 2012.

my relatives on Long Island would take Southwest to Florida if they could choose a seat online. instead they go to JFK for jetBlue.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by Easy on Mon Apr 2 23:51:27 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:40:19 2012.

It's first come, first serve. The boarding is super fast compared to people trying to find their seats. Probably twice as fast or more.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:53:39 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 2 23:51:27 2012.

it's fast when it's the business crowd on a short flight.

when it's mom, dad, granny, and three kids from Islip to Orlando, it's not as fast.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:56:55 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:40:19 2012.

I have the Southwest app on my cell phone. Just check in to the flight EXACTLY 24 hours prior to the flight and you'll get in the A boarding group and then the problem is solved. I always get an A group using this method.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:59:09 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by TonyG on Mon Apr 2 23:56:55 2012.

you should get your seat when you book the flight like other airlines. that would be better.

Southwest needs to adapt. They are no longer just a shuttle between Dallas and Houston. People in NY laugh at their system. It's one reason why people are abandoning Islip Airport.

When you travel as a family you want to know in advance who the fuck you're sitting with.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 3 00:00:04 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by Easy on Mon Apr 2 23:16:27 2012.

I'm flying SWA tomorrow to Sacramento.

If there was only some convenient and comfortable land-based form of transportation that could compete against air-travel between Los Angeles and Sacramento and may day trips easy to achieve. Nah, it doesn't exist...

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:01:04 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:59:09 2012.

Agreed. I generally either travel alone when I fly Southwest. When I travel with family I generally take US Airways out of PHX.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:02:01 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 3 00:00:04 2012.

If there was only some convenient and comfortable land-based form of transportation that could compete against air-travel between Los Angeles and Sacramento and may day trips easy to achieve. Nah, it doesn't exist...




what did you have in mind?

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:02:02 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 3 00:00:04 2012.

If there was only some convenient and comfortable land-based form of transportation that could compete against air-travel between Los Angeles and Sacramento and may day trips easy to achieve. Nah, it doesn't exist...




what did you have in mind?

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:02:02 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 3 00:00:04 2012.

If there was only some convenient and comfortable land-based form of transportation that could compete against air-travel between Los Angeles and Sacramento and may day trips easy to achieve. Nah, it doesn't exist...




what did you have in mind?

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:04:35 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:02:02 2012.

High speed rail.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 3 00:05:33 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 2 23:59:09 2012.

You can pay more to get a lower number.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:07:02 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 3 00:05:33 2012.

Or download the app and check in exactly 24 hours prior to the flight time.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:07:56 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 3 00:05:33 2012.

LOL.

That's not a smart business strategy. Those business class seats on SWA cost so much more.

Just let a family of 5 from Suffolk Long Island buy their seats two months in advance and know they're sitting together instead of the current "group" system which is not necessary in the age of internet.

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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:09:40 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:07:02 2012.

screw that. you have to troll the internet 24 hours before flying just to get the best boarding group, or pay extra. It's why families hate Southwest.

SWA is for business travel and sports fans who travel alone.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 3 00:09:59 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:07:56 2012.

I guess that it works for Southwest. If it stops working they'll probably adapt. But I like it like this and for me it's what makes them better than the others. Along with their friendly workers.

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Posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:10:32 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:07:56 2012.

They allow families with little kids to pre-board regardless of boarding group. They're not perfect but they are my favorite domestic carrier. They treat customers like human beings, don't fly regional jets, and don't charge extra for checked baggage. Also I've never had an issue getting a seat I want.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:11:03 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:04:35 2012.

High Cost Rail is expensive. And the train would stop in Bakersfield, Tulare, Visalia, Fresno, Modest, Stockton before Sacramento.



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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 3 00:11:14 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:09:40 2012.

I have an app on my phone and it takes only a minute. If families don't like it let them fly crappy US Air.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:11:58 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 3 00:09:59 2012.

Their workers are very friendly. I was put off by JetBlue when I flew them in August because their workers seemed indifferent at best and unfriendly at worst.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:12:10 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 3 00:09:59 2012.

SWA is going to lose Islip because they won't adapt.

It works for and against them in some markets.



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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 3 00:13:15 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 3 00:00:04 2012.

lol. I voted for it, but I could be retired by the time that it's built.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:14:24 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:11:58 2012.

I have been warning people about jetBlue for years.

What do you expect from company based on Queens Blvd.

That pilot who snapped looks like the pilot I ran into in 2006 or 2007 who threw a tantrum on a platform at 3 or 4 in the morning.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 3 00:14:43 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:11:03 2012.

Obviously I'd take it if it existed. I don't like to fly and like to ride trains.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:15:07 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:12:10 2012.

I can see your point. I think the counter argument is that baggage fees could cause families to still consider Southwest as there aren't any on Southwest.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:15:40 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 3 00:14:43 2012.

But would your company reimburse you for the extra cost and time of rail?

Your plane will be landing while high cost rail train is leaving Fresno.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:15:52 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:14:24 2012.

Their employees don't seem happy at all.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 3 00:16:32 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:11:58 2012.

Anyone can have a bad day, but in my experience Southwest has the most pleasant workers.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:16:46 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:15:52 2012.

Neither are the passengers.

It's a subway train with engines.



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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:17:01 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 3 00:14:43 2012.

I agree. I prefer rail to flying as well.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 3 00:17:05 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:02:02 2012.

what did you have in mind?

California High Speed Rail. I'm a roadgeek, but I-5 and CA 99 are typical Caltrans snooze fests outside of the mountain passes if you're used to New York's interstate regime. Planes just suck for daytrips given the lack of flexibility* in changing tickets and security**, and it's much too far to drive that distance and return home on the same day.

*I've called Amtrak on a few occasions to change my reservations to a later train due to running late from having fun.

**And in my case, due to my ears hurting like hell from the change in air pressure...

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by WillD on Tue Apr 3 00:18:30 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:11:03 2012.

High Cost Speed Rail is expensive.

Not any more expensive than airports or highways to provide an equivalent capacity.

And the train would stop in Bakersfield, Tulare, Visalia, Fresno, Modest, Stockton before Sacramento.

While no Phase II or III service plans have been posted, it would stand to reason that there will be a mix of local and express service between the two northern terminals and Los Angeles.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:18:47 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 3 00:16:32 2012.

Yeah... The thing about JetBlue is that it seemed across the board that the employees didn't give a crap about the customer.

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Re: I'm on a plane

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 3 00:19:01 2012, in response to Re: I'm on a plane, posted by TonyG on Tue Apr 3 00:10:32 2012.

SWA not flying regional jets is what might be causing the wear and tear on their planes. Too many cycles of pressurizing may not be good and that is what might be causing their problems.



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