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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 26 10:39:08 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 10:27:31 2012. No i dont support people having 10 kids....although if they canafford it thats their choice. Butwhy is everythi g to the extremes with you? Saying catholic charities shouldnt be forced to do something against their religion doesnt mean i am against birth control. I have no unexpected kids running around so obviously i am for birth control. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 26 10:39:11 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 10:27:31 2012. No i dont support people having 10 kids....although if they canafford it thats their choice. Butwhy is everythi g to the extremes with you? Saying catholic charities shouldnt be forced to do something against their religion doesnt mean i am against birth control. I have no unexpected kids running around so obviously i am for birth control. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 26 10:48:10 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 26 10:11:18 2012. the Nazis are nipping at their heels just like they did with Clinton. DESTROY the Nazis and the prosperity will come. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 10:49:17 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 26 10:39:08 2012. Catholic Charities is a corporation. They are a business. Period. The law says that businesses are to provide contraceptive coverage. The President permitted an exclusion that put this onus on the insurers in these special cases. That means these corporations are not providing this necessary and important coverage directly. The corporate entities found this compromise acceptable.The bishops did not. Bishops aren't running these corporations, they run the church itself, which has an exemption same as ALL churches do. This is all about controlling women. This will remove women from their right to full participation in society, the workplace and put an undue burden on families as they attempt to keep everyone fed, housed, clothed and healthy as their number continue to increase. It is about oppression. It is NOT about insurance. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 11:15:16 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 09:26:45 2012. It is more than just social issues, so why is Santorum so focused on them? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 11:18:19 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 10:38:39 2012. It still does not allow Congress to regulate their SPEECH. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 26 11:28:51 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 25 13:33:44 2012. The problem with the Republican candidates is the candidates. Romney is the only decent one. The party is full of nutty ideologues, but the same is true for Democrats. Probably even more so.Not likely. But both parties are in trouble in 2016... |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 26 11:29:44 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 25 16:56:15 2012. Well said! |
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Re: How the nation feels: GOP Super Tuesday etc. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 26 11:35:03 2012, in response to Re: How the nation feels: GOP Super Tuesday etc., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 25 17:26:41 2012. Throwing argumentum ad hominem against me doesn't rewrite reality to suit your tastes.Why do creationists cite logical fallacies but have no clue what they mean? You better look up the meaning of the ad hominem fallacy, because you're grossly off the mark if you think that that was one. >>>>That's the best bet to stop this anti-woman, anti-family madness "Anti-family"? Whom do you think you're addressing here, eh . . . ? It's the left that's anti-family; it's all in the Communist Manifesto. Right, because communism is the basis of liberalism. [/sarcasm] You better look up the straw man while you're at it... |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 26 12:07:08 2012, in response to Re ality gap, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 25 18:02:56 2012. Bingbong, you were doing so fine with Olog, and now you had to drop this stuff.Women of all persuasions want to control their reproductive lives. True. Very very few want 10+children. Also true, but this is not necessarily a good thing. That is unsustainable economically and physically, as there aren't enough resources on the planet to support such a population. Since when do the reproductive behavior of women in this corner of the world translate to the rest of the world? I'm sure you're aware of the maddeningly low fertility rates of Whites (and by extension, presumably high-IQ individuals of all races), which in Eastern and Southern Europe is critically low. First world nations have more than enough resources to sustain a much higher fecundity. In fact, it is becoming imperative economically for these countries to boost their fertility—a fact we can see playing out in Greece and the rest of the PIIGS nations (save Ireland)—since a major fundamental cause of the problems these countries face is that they are accumulating an overabundance of retirees without young workers to support them. As for the Third World, there is a great biological and economic incentive for couples there to have large families, as the replacement value is much higher there. There, it does make sense for many women to have 10+ children, with the hope that a few well survive to become healthy adults. There very much are still plagues in many of these parts, particularly sub-Saharan African (e.g. AIDS, malaria) and there will continue to be for the foreseeable future. But, you do have one point, as indeed, if we develop vaccines/cures for these diseases without a corresponding scale back in fertility, these folks are in serious trouble (think Rwanda or Sudan). It is perhaps the height of tragedy that the people who go on about harmless specters such as "overpopulation", as you have, are typically both the people who are least contributing to it (as we've seen from global fertility rates) and the people whose progeny benefit society most. This self-culling practiced by the intelligent ultimately puts everyone in the world in a worse spot (since the Third World races depend on the support of intelligent peoples to survive). Think about that the next time you worry about "overpopulation". |
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Re: GOP James Zogby: LOLwut? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 12:16:37 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 09:26:45 2012. And even at those, they're a total failure. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 12:19:50 2012, in response to Re: Re ality gap, posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 26 12:07:08 2012. The thing that's sad is that what you say is chilling but simultaneously 100% correct. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 12:21:02 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 10:49:17 2012. Catholic Charities is a corporation. They are a business. Period. The law says that businesses are to provide contraceptive coverage.No. Catholic Charities USA is a nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization (EIN/tax ID number: 53-0196620). And LOL to the rest of your usual rant. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 12:23:34 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 12:21:02 2012. A 501(c)(3) is a corporation. Corporations need not have profitability as their motivation. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 12:26:58 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 12:21:02 2012. pwn3d. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 12:31:07 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 12:23:34 2012. A 501(c)(3) is a corporationNot necessarily. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 12:31:19 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 26 11:28:51 2012. No, the difference in 2016 would be if Obama wins now, and both parties would need a new candidate then. The only reason the Democrats appear calm now is only because they have an candidate, and aren't going through the primary process. They did the same thing in 2008, and will do the same thing in 2016 if a Republican wins in 2012. If Obama wins this year, Both will be doing this all over again in 2016. If the republican wins this year, and the candidate reruns in 2016, only the Democrats will be going through this in 2016.Easy is right, both parties are full of ideologues, and nutty ones. The only reason you apparently don't see it of the left is because it seems you agree with the nutty ideologues. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 12:41:21 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 12:23:34 2012. It's not a business corporation, it's a non profit organization. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 26 12:56:06 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Zogby: LOLwut?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 12:26:58 2012. The only thing that is pwn3d is the UK. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 13:02:54 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 12:41:21 2012. We weren't talking about "business corporations," we were talking about corporations in general. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 13:06:04 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 12:21:02 2012. LOL!!! An EIN Means it's a corporation! An EIN is like a Social Security number for corporations. Non-profits ARE corporations!!!! They can even turn a profit (but any profit gets turned back to the corporation, not disbursed to shareholders)!!! How about that!!!!So why do you think they should be exempt from the laws of the United States? This isn't a theocracy last I looked, though some of the current crop of candidates sure want to make it one. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 13:06:42 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 12:31:07 2012. They have an EIN. They are a corporation. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 13:10:48 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 11:18:19 2012. So they can say whatever they want. Their insurer still has to provide contraceptives as basic care. That's following the law. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 13:11:17 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Zogby: LOLwut?, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 26 12:56:06 2012. You're in the same boat as the UK, so don't crow.And what, no condemnation of James Zogby, the terrorist apologist? |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 26 13:11:20 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 13:06:04 2012. Cash which a non-profit generates as a result of operations is referred to as SURPLUS. This surplus can only be used to further the mission of the corporation. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 26 13:13:09 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Zogby: LOLwut?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 13:11:17 2012. In a pig's fucking ass I am, LOSER. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 13:17:27 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 13:02:54 2012. Bingbong said it was a business. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 26 13:17:54 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Zogby: LOLwut?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 12:26:58 2012. LOL, you nor he know it's a corporation.LOL @ you your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 13:18:23 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 13:06:04 2012. And again, it's a non profit RELIGIOUS organization. It's not a business. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 13:22:04 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 13:18:23 2012. Which has WHAT to do with whether or not it's a corporation? We weren't talking about business here. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 13:22:28 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 13:10:48 2012. I'm fine with that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 13:22:58 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 13:17:27 2012. I wouldn't have used that word. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 13:25:28 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Zogby: LOLwut?, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 26 13:13:09 2012. Then you're on the side of the Nazis and terrorists. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 13:28:12 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Zogby: LOLwut?, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 26 13:17:54 2012. Proff or shens. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 13:28:27 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 13:22:58 2012. That's fine, but she did in her propaganda rant. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Feb 26 13:28:45 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 13:10:48 2012. The American Taliban wants one set of laws for the regular people and a different one for the Revolutionary Guard. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 13:29:06 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 13:22:04 2012. Bingbong WAS talking about it being a "business". |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 13:54:59 2012, in response to Re: Re ality gap, posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 26 12:07:08 2012. How about being able to feed these children? Just the economic hardship (relative) the past few years raise the concern of unfettered reproduction. Women have the right to control their fertility, if for no other reason than it's their bodies and lives on the line with every pregnancy. Existing children need to be cared for first. Family size must be kept to a maintainable level.In Third World countries, contraceptives are incredibly popular when available, as it enables families to focus even the most meager available resources on already existing children. Many medical advances are available even there....especially those which fight childhood disease, immunization, so your point about replacement value is well outdated. As malaria and dysentery deaths are now being minimized through well funded focus on these plagues, the need for contraceptives will be universal. Overpopulation is not imagined,when there is a drought, war or crop failure the starvation is very very real. And avoidable. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 13:57:56 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 26 13:22:28 2012. :-) Obviously you're not a bishop. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 26 13:58:42 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 12:31:19 2012. the difference in 2016 would be if Obama wins nowObama will win. However, he would lose if the Republicans had a decent candidate this year. and both parties would need a new candidate then. Pretty much. Easy is right, both parties are full of ideologues, and nutty ones. I think one side has that market cornered... |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 13:59:10 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 13:17:27 2012. They are. They conduct business transactions, for goods and/or services. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 14:00:50 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Zogby: LOLwut?, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 26 12:56:06 2012. No, Chris is. Nonprofit corporations are corporations. If they have an EIN, they're a corporation. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 14:03:36 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 26 13:11:20 2012. Yep. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 14:11:25 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 13:59:10 2012. Doesn't change the fact that they are a charity organization, not a business organization.DOn't like their operation, don't work for them or participate with them. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 14:11:46 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Zogby: LOLwut?, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 14:00:50 2012. NO, you said they were a business. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 14:12:26 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 14:03:36 2012. YES, and the mission of a CHARITABLE RELIGIOUS organization, is the forwarding of THAT charitable goal. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Feb 26 14:13:19 2012, in response to Re: Re ality gap, posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 26 12:07:08 2012. a major fundamental cause of the problems these countries face is that they are accumulating an overabundance of retirees without young workers to support themOf course, given the perpetual weakening economies in the PIGS nations, there's even less incentive to have children, and in a country like Greece's case, the backup option of state employment isn't going to exist, so what would an increase in population do except serve as a burden for the state to educate and then support along with the retirees? Unless Greece wants to be paid for each immigrant they churn out in the future, there's little to no reason why Greece should bother pumping up their birth rate when there's no work for the present or their future to support children now or in the future as adults. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 14:30:01 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Tuesday: LOLwut?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 14:11:25 2012. They are still a corporation, and law applies to them. The nature of their business isn't at issue. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 26 14:31:35 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Zogby: LOLwut?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 26 14:11:46 2012. They conduct business same as any corporation. The nature of such may differ, but it's still business, and they are still a corporation, subject to the law of the land. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 26 15:16:07 2012, in response to Re: GOP Super Zogby: LOLwut?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 13:25:28 2012. No, you are. |
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