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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 21 00:43:42 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 20 23:48:44 2012.

But he tells his audience something completely different. Hmmm ... would he tell some teevee librul the truth? Or the voters? Hmmm. :)

Congrats on your sacrifice, we'll be rootin' for ya ...

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 02:18:02 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 20 23:32:04 2012.

I don't remember there being this many debates though.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 02:21:46 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 20 23:25:35 2012.

Yup, pandering to the small groups and ignoring the bigger issues like how to fix the economy and threats like Iran. Politics is a circus and a mess.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 21 03:50:23 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 02:18:02 2012.

Chalk it up to facebook I s'pose. If Trump has a TV show, why not GOP-TV II? :)

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 21 03:52:33 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 02:21:46 2012.

And we're supposed to vote for these fools. :(

Ever since 24/7 cable news happened, it was bloody obvious that the book and film called "Network" had been turned from a comedy into a documentary and we're all the worse off for it. :(

"American Idle" :)

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 09:09:40 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 02:18:02 2012.

They had even more.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Feb 21 10:41:02 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by grand concourse on Mon Feb 20 23:19:52 2012.

I don't understand. What is so wrong with debates? Wouldn't this help the people decide who to vote for?

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Feb 21 10:43:59 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Feb 21 10:41:02 2012.

People watch debates, especially ones hosted by CNN, hoping one of the candidates will get caught in a "gotcha" moment. That's JayZeeBMT's main issue here.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 11:38:28 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 09:09:40 2012.

I stand corrected then.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 11:38:59 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 21 03:50:23 2012.

Oh heavens no! lol.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 11:57:15 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 11:38:28 2012.

It was a circus just like the GOP one, and it lasted into the summer. Hillary unfortunately lost, but was like the Energizer Bunny. It was a catfight. How quickly people forget.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates' Snub

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 21 13:24:11 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates' Snub, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 20 17:47:47 2012.

They are probably annoyed because this was their big chance to blunt Santorumania.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by bingbong on Tue Feb 21 13:44:03 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 20 23:27:42 2012.

Sanitorium is. He said he wants to leave it up to the states Griswold andEisenstadt v. Baird notwithstanding. That WOULD result in bans in large parts of the country (think of all those fercockta "personhood" law attempts), affecting a large portion of the population, despite two previous SCOTUS decisions that established for anyone of legal age of consent to reproductive rights, at the Federal level. Willard's all flippyfloppy on this lately too, so he'll be an easy cave in to the RWNBs.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates' Snub

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 21 13:56:39 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates' Snub, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 21 13:24:11 2012.

Santorumania

Ewww!

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 23:30:10 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 21 03:52:33 2012.

+1

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 23:32:36 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 11:57:15 2012.

It's become a 3 ring circus now, basically Newt and Santorum ganging up on romney. I shudder if either of those 2 wins and the other guy (not Romney) being the vp choice. Newt-Santorum, Obama will probably win in a landslide.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 23:34:17 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 20 23:31:13 2012.

I blame the 24/7 news channels. On and on with the nonsense. The candidates are their own worst enemies instead of trying to debate Obama's policies.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 23:36:48 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 23:32:36 2012.

When gas prices hit $4.50/gallon and unemployment re-reaches 9%, I wouldn't worry. They could dig up Goldwater and he'd beat the clown at 1600.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 23:43:08 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Feb 21 10:41:02 2012.

Perhaps, but doesn't all the negativity drive the typical voter away? To me these debates appeals more to the hard core political junkies. imo Newt and Santorum have no shot, but yet here they are still fighting to the bitter end.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 23:44:13 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 23:36:48 2012.

I wonder if a war on Iran helps or hurts Obama?

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 23:53:07 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 23:34:17 2012.

Well, the truth is, it's best to get all this nonsense out now than have the nitpicking nonsense come up during the general election. It was the same in 2008 with Obama and the other Democratic candidates. All Obama's skeletons were dragged out by the other Democrats (Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, etc). By the time he was the candidate and the Republicans took over that stuff, it was old news.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 23:55:16 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Feb 20 16:15:13 2012.

Propaganda like MSNBC and much of the rest of the mainstream media acts now with their love affair with Obama.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 23:57:29 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 23:44:13 2012.

The fact is, war with Iran at this point would destroy our economy. If war in Iran does break out, I don't think it would matter if obama won or lost the election. In fact, he'd likely hope to lose. The consequences of a military strike on Iran would lead to Iran retaliating by striking back at not only Israel but also the Arab OPEC states. The world economy, but more so Russia, China and India would immediately collapse under the weight of a global oil crisis. Too bad we opted not to:

Drill in Montana and Alaska
Drill off the east and west coast of the USA
Continue drilling by US companies in the Gulf and sending those rigs to other parts of the world.
Build the Keystone Pipeline.

So much for a proactive energy policy


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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates' Snub

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 21 23:59:44 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 23:53:07 2012.

Yup . . . the media does wish that most people's memories don't last all the way back to four years ago.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 22 00:10:25 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 23:53:07 2012.

Well, there is obama's record as president and it'll be hard to distance himself from that.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates' Snub

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 22 00:12:34 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates' Snub, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 21 23:59:44 2012.

Not to worry about that ... the dems sure will bring up four years ago ... especially with the dweebs floating to the top on the other side. :)

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by grand concourse on Wed Feb 22 00:15:16 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 23:57:29 2012.

True especially the 2nd part on energy.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by grand concourse on Wed Feb 22 00:17:44 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 21 23:53:07 2012.

Well I guess. And it doesn't seem like Romney is handling things well, as the attacks on him looks like they've tired him out. Looks more like strike 2 for him.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates' Snub

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 22 00:22:44 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates' Snub, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 20 18:41:08 2012.

You'd be surprised.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by EastSideRider on Wed Feb 22 02:43:57 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Feb 20 23:25:35 2012.

WHAT logic? *grin*

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Feb 22 03:00:46 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by grand concourse on Tue Feb 21 23:44:13 2012.

It would end Obama's Presidency if done between now and the election.

Romney might as well start measuring the drapes if Obama strikes now.

The strike will be done right after the election.

While it would cripple Obama's agenda for his second term due to the economy going into a meltdown because of it, that doesn't matter much if the GOP retains a sizable minority (or even an outright majority) in the Senate.



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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 22 03:34:51 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by EastSideRider on Wed Feb 22 02:43:57 2012.

Welll ... uh ... yeah. :)

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 22 03:49:19 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 22 00:10:25 2012.

Yes. All Obama has is to attack the other side, as he certainly can't run on how great he has been.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 22 03:51:36 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by grand concourse on Wed Feb 22 00:15:16 2012.

The Democrats have destroyed much of those possibilities

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by AlM on Wed Feb 22 09:10:50 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 23:57:29 2012.

What's not being drilled in Montana? The Bakken oil shale (which is mostly in ND but overlaps into Montana) is being drilled actively.

Alaska srilling will proceed slowly. We as taxpayers own that land. You want careful drilling, don't you?

Gulf drilling is resuming. Obama didn't direct BP to be careless, and both the Bush and Obama administrations bear responsibility for careless oversight.

The Keystone Pipeline will be built, just not through the Nebraska Sand Hills. Even Nebraska's repblican governor doesn't want it drilled there. meanwhile, the oil is transported by rail, which is more expensive but feasible.

US natural gas drilling has expanded so much under the Obama administration that gas prices are through the cellar. All the LNG import terminals are applying for permits to become export terminals.

So what are you complaining about?





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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by AlM on Wed Feb 22 09:11:03 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 22 03:51:36 2012.

Fabrication.



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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 22 09:35:11 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 22 09:11:03 2012.

No, they have either not passed legislation for, or passed legislation against the things mentioned. They want oil prices to be high so to try and switch to the energy THEY want.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by AlM on Wed Feb 22 09:39:26 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 22 09:35:11 2012.

Except for Alaska, none if the items mentioned require any legislation. And Keystone has been delayed (at the request of the Republican Nebraska governor, among others), not canceled.



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Posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 22 10:34:06 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by Train Dude on Tue Feb 21 23:57:29 2012.

We are drilling in Montana (or the leases are under process). There are leases under process for off shore Alaska- one major issue is spill cleanup given the Arctic temperatures that MUST be resolved prior to final approval. I see no issue with drilling off the Florida coast....something that wasn't going to happen prior to the Obama administration for obvious reasons.

Keystone wouldn't be necessary if there was refining capacity closer to the Canadian border (however we all know this oil is NOT intended for American consumption, that it's headed to China....or else why wouldn't they just refine close to the Canadian border and truck it out? They need to have it close to the coast so they can ship it away.) and/or its environmental issues get resolved. Buried pipe sans sarcophagus isn't a plan, as any leak would be difficult to remediate, leading to catastrophe. The lack of environmental consideration should doom the project as is, and until it's rethought and done properly it should not be rushed into. The oil companies are making more than enough profit and can well afford to do it right.

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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 22 13:38:35 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 22 09:39:26 2012.

The Pipeline was denied by the President.

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Posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 22 13:46:32 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 22 13:38:35 2012.

It was delayed. There are significant environmental issues yet to be resolved with it, the most severe were brought forward by the republican governor of Nebraska. There isn't all that much of a need to rush this, better to do it right since that oil is headed to China anyway. Otherwise they'd just build refineries along the border and truck product out for domestic consumption. No need to process on the coast if it's not headed away,yunno.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by Easy on Wed Feb 22 14:59:46 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Feb 21 10:41:02 2012.

There's just too many. We already know where the stand from the first 15 debates.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 22 16:24:45 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 22 13:38:35 2012.

Delayed at the request of the republican Governor of Nebraska who wanted the pipeline though their water supply relocated elsewhere within the state. You can't do civil engineering rework in the three months the repupublican house allowed for civil engineers to rework the route, leaving Obama no choice but to not do it given the alloted time.

If your favorite grandstanders in DC were serious about this at all, they would have allowed the time to reroute and give a realistic deadline. They didn't even bother.

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Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee

Posted by AlM on Wed Feb 22 16:35:14 2012, in response to Re: CNN Cancels GOP Debate After Candidates Flee, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 22 13:38:35 2012.

The oil is moving just fine on freight trains while they decide on a suitable route.



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