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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 15 21:40:14 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 15 21:37:20 2012. You don't work for a state agency that gets federal dollars?Either way, it's about the taxpayer wasting money abroad when there money that needs to be spent here. Here means your raise and benefits too. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 15 21:49:15 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 15 21:37:20 2012. Your union should just "pass the contract then read what's in it". |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 15 21:49:32 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 15 21:40:14 2012. Listen I don't like Money going to foreign governments especially questionable ones, however simple because we save money on maintaining a nuclear stockpile doesn't mean it will go to Egypt or to me, because the money we're spending is coming from China, it just means less money we need from China. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 15 21:52:03 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 15 21:49:32 2012. The money already goes to Egypt and a long list of other countries. And for what? It's insane. And no one is proposing cuts in foreign aid while politicians here are offering such poor contracts to workers. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 15 21:55:38 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 15 21:52:03 2012. Trust me it pisses me off too, I was furious about the money going to rebuilding Iraq, Afghanistan, our county's infrastructure and schools are crumbling. Fix our nation first then we fix the world. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 15 21:58:42 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 15 21:55:38 2012. It's not just Iraq and Afghanistan, it's countries, many of them questionable, all over the world. It's nuts. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 15 21:59:26 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 15 21:58:42 2012. They'll miss Pax Americana after this administration throws it away. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 15 22:00:19 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 15 21:58:42 2012. Im not disagreeing. I don't like Foreign funding as it currently is. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 15 22:01:44 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Feb 15 22:00:19 2012. it's only going to get worse over time. it probably won't get better in our lifetime. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 15 22:21:25 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 15 21:49:15 2012. +100 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 15 22:22:08 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 15 21:49:15 2012. Heh; imagine if that happened. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 22:26:04 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 15 21:59:26 2012. I think you guys aren't going to like seeing the truth as to where the foreign aid goes and in which amounts one bit ... here's the OFFICIAL government numbers:http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1299.pdf PDF file, checked to ensure no nasties dwell within ... so anybody want to back off now? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 15 22:37:54 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 22:26:04 2012. "so anybody want to back off now?"Back off from what? By the way, where are the numbers from the obama administration? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 15 22:39:22 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 22:26:04 2012. What exactly are you trying to say here? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 22:40:19 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 15 22:37:54 2012. Dunno, but census.gov does accept questions if you're so inclined. I don't work there, so can't help you. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 22:41:21 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 15 22:39:22 2012. That Egypt seems way down the list. You have a problem with raw data instead of germanforeignpolicy.com telling you what to think?So for clarification, since you appear to require some, why not look at the real numbers rather than spouting crap? |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 15 22:42:13 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 22:41:21 2012. You hit the nail on the head. The data hasn't been translated yet.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 15 22:43:27 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 22:41:21 2012. That Egypt seems way down the listRelevance to the thread? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 22:45:05 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Fred G on Wed Feb 15 22:42:13 2012. I'm sure Olog will though. Heh. Lemme go look ... :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 22:47:36 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 15 22:43:27 2012. Put on your reading glasses and hit the thread. We're talking about cutting off foreign aid. So we fold on Iraq and Afghanistan, those are the two biggest and to my surprise, look who's getting more aid than Egypt on that list? I'll assume that the amounts remain fairly proportional.So ... let's bring your spin out into the open here ... if we're going to be cutting that aid, looks like it'll be twice the cut for Israel if the whole enchilada gets reduced. So if you're going to play the antisemite card (and it's obvious that you're itching to) then looks like your republican friends are the antisemites after all. So there ya are. Sorry for bringing that dog to the hunt? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 15 22:52:48 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 22:47:36 2012. Who cares about proportion? It's a lot of money that should be spent at home. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 15 23:02:06 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 22:40:19 2012. It was not the census who asked if anyone wanted to back off! I just wanted to know what you meant by that. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 23:09:12 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 15 22:52:48 2012. Well now that we've found out that this "major conservative issue" would affect Israel twice as seriously as Egypt (based on those numbers) I wonder if the support for it would be the same now that we know? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 23:12:46 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 15 23:02:06 2012. Just today's right wing wrong turn wingnut fest over the foreign aid. All I did was put up the actual numbers from the latest report on the foreign aid issue rather than the spoutings of the (ahem) "conservative media" ... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 15 23:23:02 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 23:12:46 2012. I'm still not clear what you found in those numbers that might want to make others "back off". Can you clarify your point? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 15 23:23:54 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 23:09:12 2012. A so it's a Jewish thing that you are referring to. That explains it |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 15 23:24:48 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 15 23:23:02 2012. This'll clear up before he can clear up whatever he thinks he was trying to say . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 15 23:30:11 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 15 23:23:54 2012. Again? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 15 23:39:28 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 15 23:30:11 2012. It is a free country, after all. I just wanted to understand what was being referred to. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 15 23:40:16 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 15 23:24:48 2012. I see! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 23:45:52 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 15 23:23:02 2012. Can't imagine that it isn't obvious, but OK ... let's try it simple. The complaining is that we should cut off the foreign aid because Egypt is spending it on Mosques. So since I found this to be completely off the wall, went and looked up some info. That page was just one of the things I looked at, but turns out that most of the "aid" isn't paint for Mosques, it's military aid largely. That means jobs in America but that wasn't the point.When congress allocates money for "foreign aid" it's a lump sum amount which is divided up ... so we're playing Egypt as the money hole in the propaganda that's being spouted here but if we cut Egypt, then we also have to cut Israel and everybody else. Now of course hoarking Egypt as some grand beneficiary of our "largesse" sells to the right, it would also mean that Israel would lose twice as much. I've got a problem with that but it appears as though the righties are holding on to the argument anyway, which won't be good news for Israel if they get their wish. Is it sinking in now what I meant here? Strikes me as the usual right wing divert and conquer while sticking it to Israel. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 23:47:54 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 15 23:23:54 2012. So you don't care if the republicans are going after Israel's military aid? Wow. :( |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 16 00:09:47 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 23:45:52 2012. It seems that once again you are painting with an 11" roller when the job calls for a #3 paint brush and you are making Israel your red herring in this little drama. If our foreign aid is going to repair Mosques or Churches then it seems to be contrary to our constitution that prohibits government support of religions. That foreign aid should be withheld. If you have any proof that Israel is also using U.S. Taxpayer money to fund repairs of Synagogs, then I'd agree that those funds should also be withheld. BUT as usual, you play the "Throw The Baby Out With The Bath Water" card and make it an all or nothing proposition. Your point, therefore is not valid on its face. Shall we try once again? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 16 00:10:32 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 23:47:54 2012. Again, you misrepresent the facts and make a silly argument. WOW :( |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 16 00:16:39 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 16 00:09:47 2012. Israel, eh. Did he write that post while polishing his jackboots? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 16 00:19:36 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 16 00:16:39 2012. Or more likely this is just another example of his penchant for exaggeration of "unintended consequences" In the liberal mind, you can't cut aid to our "enemies" unless you cut aid to our Allies too. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 16 00:23:30 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 16 00:09:47 2012. Nope ... I've said my piece and I'm done. If you have faith in the republicans, I say go for it. I can hear dog whistles just fine. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 16 00:24:03 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 16 00:10:32 2012. Yep ... listen to Olog more ... he's definitely got the groove. :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 16 00:26:26 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 16 00:23:30 2012. Jibberish, |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 16 00:26:50 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 16 00:24:03 2012. Jibberish |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 16 01:01:28 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 16 00:26:26 2012. Fine by me ... |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Feb 16 01:10:01 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 15 21:06:28 2012. We do not need anywhere near as many weapons as we have to take on any prospective nuclear armed state. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 02:13:29 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 15 21:06:28 2012. Huh? How does that question make sense? We don't need them, that's why we are cutting them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 02:14:22 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 15 21:09:13 2012. Another victim of the broken window fallacy. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 02:16:29 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 15 21:52:03 2012. Foreign aid is a DROP IN THE BUCKET! That doesn't mean that it should or shouldn't be cut, but it means that cutting it is no solution to fiscal woes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 02:17:28 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 16 02:16:29 2012. Cutting it by itself I mean. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Feb 16 02:51:51 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Feb 15 21:09:13 2012. No, you hire those people to build and maintain the next round of (cheaper) global strike weapons which trade the nuclear warhead for a precision guided conventional payload. That way you shunt resources from babysitting a bunch of politically unusable relics to useful, modern weapons which can make a real difference on the battlefield.In particular, the ArcLight proposal, along with other hypersonic weapon proposals, could completely change the way we approach strategic weapons. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 16 06:04:37 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 16 00:09:47 2012. All he said is that foreign aid is allocated from one House bill, not a separate one for each country. If somebody wants to cut ALL FOREIGN AID then aid to all countries would be removed, including, of course, Israel.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 16 09:58:04 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 23:12:46 2012. Even some liberals agree that we just don't have the money for some much foreign aid anymore. Especially for mosque(and church repairs) or to fix someone's sewer system. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 17:47:07 2012, in response to Re: Barack Hussein Obama considers cutting nuclear stockpile, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 15 21:36:06 2012. You could come up with better jokes if you stopped worshiping your idol for ten minutes, you know . . . |
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