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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 14:05:15 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 30 07:49:45 2011. Stop being a fool. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 14:05:44 2011, in response to Re: Guess the timeframe, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 30 07:51:09 2011. Yes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 14:06:22 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 08:29:14 2011. Good post. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 30 14:10:26 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 30 13:01:46 2011. Common sense will tell you that that spark of curiosity can occur anywhere and not necessarily as the by product of an organized religion. There are probably as many major inventions that were developed by the non-zealot yet nominal Christian than the zealous ones. You know just like now, if you ask me I'm Catholic; but do I go to church? nope. Those people invented and discovered too. So did secular inventors.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 14:37:09 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by JayMan on Sat Jul 30 12:57:03 2011. I prefer the Church of the Spaghetti Monster myself. |
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Re: GP38/R42 Chris is silent Re: Those atheists are at it again |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 16:33:03 2011, in response to Re: GP38/R42 Chris is silent Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Sat Jul 30 11:59:55 2011. the ships or flying the flag at Pearl Harbor; the very thing you said was offensive. i'm not offended by either but i'd think having Japanese ships at Pearl Harbor is more offensive than just flying the flag.lol!! and for the 20th time, it's not being flown by Americans, it's being flown in an biannual event, participated by many countries, and ON a japanese vessel! perfectly fine. I don't have any definitive proof it's just a hunch. Maybe some who’s more familiar with how these things work can give an answer. i already called your bluff on that one. So now it has to be from debris? That’s not what you said before. the t-bar is from the debris, why shouldn't it be from the debris? it's not like they are taking a crucifix from some church and placing it there. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 16:36:30 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Sat Jul 30 12:02:22 2011. yes, you claimed that this was a flag flying over Pearl Harbor, when in fact both photos show photos of Japanese vessels participating in the biannual multinational event that takes place there. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 16:39:57 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Sat Jul 30 12:04:10 2011. NO they aren't! it's a JAPANESE vessel participating in the biannual, multinational RIMPAC. The Rim of the Pacific Exercise, is the world's largest international maritime exercise. It is hosted and administered by the United States Navy, but the United States Marine Corps and United States Coast Guard are also involved, as well as Hawaii National Guard forces under the leadership of the Governor of Hawaii. Also invited are allied military forces from the Pacific Rim nations.We shouldn't let Japan participate with their vessels just because we were at war with them 70 years ago, and have been at peace with them for 60? that's NOT "flying a flag over pearl harbor", they are on japanese ships. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 16:45:56 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 14:04:36 2011. no, it asked me how I would feel about a muslim artifact at the WTC site, "considering how you felt abotu the mosque". It had nothing to do with the mosque. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 16:46:49 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 14:06:22 2011. if we are at peace with them, they are an ally, and they are in no way a threat to us or the world, more power to them. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 16:51:41 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 16:36:30 2011. yes, you claimed that this was a flag flying over Pearl Harbor, when in fact both photos show photos of Japanese vessels participating in the biannual multinational event that takes place there.Indeed. It is quite clear that the flag is not flying over Pearl Harbor. it's instead flying over......ummm....OH SHIT!!! PEARL HARBOR!!!! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 16:54:11 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 16:39:57 2011. that's NOT "flying a flag over pearl harbor", they are on japanese ships.Yep. You tell him that those Japanese ships are instead sailing in......HOLY SHIT!! PEARL HARBOR!!! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 16:58:19 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 30 16:51:41 2011. on a japanese vessel participating in RIMPAC, the Rim of the Pacific Exercise, is the world's largest international maritime exercise. It is hosted and administered by the United States Navy, but the United States Marine Corps and United States Coast Guard are also involved, as well as Hawaii National Guard forces under the leadership of the Governor of Hawaii. Also invited are allied military forces from the Pacific Rim nations. |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 17:53:18 2011, in response to Re: GP38/R42 Chris is silent Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 16:33:03 2011. lol!! and for the 20th time, it's not being flown by Americans All you said was a Japanese flag at Pearl Harbor; you made no mention of what country is flying it. ON a japanese vessel! perfectly fine If anything that’s more offensive. Not that I find either offensive. i already called your bluff on that one. I never claimed to have definitive proof maybe someone who’s more familiar with the military could provide an answer. the t-bar is from the debris, why shouldn't it be from the debris? it's not like they are taking a crucifix from some church and placing it there. But up before you said: http://www.subchat.com/otchat/read.asp?Id=818334 So bring something from "your" religion. I could care less if they put a big Star of David in the middle if they want. Go for it. Now you’ve saying it has to be from the debris. |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 17:56:52 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 16:58:19 2011. It was still a Japanese flag at Pearl Harbor; the very thing you claimed you would find offensive. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 17:57:54 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 16:45:56 2011. Your response legitimized the line of questioning. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 17:59:41 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 16:46:49 2011. Then you can't say that a Muslim symbol at or near the World Trade Center (I will hereby stop using the term ground zero) is equivalent to a Japanese flag at Pearl Harbor in 2011. |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 18:01:41 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 16:46:49 2011. Then why can’t peaceful, law-abiding American Muslims be treated the same way as people of other faiths? |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 18:05:28 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 16:39:57 2011. NO they aren't! it's a JAPANESE vessel participating in the biannual, multinational RIMPAC. The Rim of the Pacific Exercise, is the world's largest international maritime exercise. It is hosted and administered by the United States Navy, but the United States Marine Corps and United States Coast Guard are also involved, as well as Hawaii National Guard forces under the leadership of the Governor of Hawaii. Also invited are allied military forces from the Pacific Rim nations.You said a Japanese flag at Pearl Harbor I give you examples and now you’re claiming they don’t count. We shouldn't let Japan participate with their vessels just because we were at war with them 70 years ago, and have been at peace with them for 60? that's NOT "flying a flag over pearl harbor", they are on japanese ships. And why shouldn’t we treat American Muslims the same way as we treat Christians and Jews. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 30 18:12:56 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Thu Jul 28 22:33:19 2011. How many generations passed before we began to forget and forgive Pearl Harbor?My dad served in WWII and he never forgot or forgave the Japanese. We are still "at war" against those who destroyed the WTC. Imagine the uproar if the Japanese flag were flown over Pearl in 1946! |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 18:17:03 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 30 18:12:56 2011. I’m not the one that came up with the analogy; I’m also not proposing we flay the Taliban flag at ground zero. Get upset at a Muslim symbol at ground zero would be like objecting to Chinese flag at Pearl Harbor because we were attacked by Asians. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 30 18:23:11 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 18:17:03 2011. Get upset at a Muslim symbol at ground zero would be like objecting to Chinese flag at Pearl Harbor because we were attacked by AsiansNOT the same thing. Japan did not represent "all Asians", OTOH Al-Quaida perpetrated the attacks in the name of its religion and has support among many in the hierarchy of that religion. Al-Quaida is not a single nation but it is supported by the leadership of several nations, particularly the religious leadership. Do you really expect the friends and families of those who were killed in the terrorist attacks to accept the symbol of those who perpetrated the attacks? I think it is expecting too much of them. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:30:15 2011, in response to Re: GP38/R42 Chris is silent Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 17:53:18 2011. All you said was a Japanese flag at Pearl Harbor; you made no mention of what country is flying it.please. If anything that’s more offensive. Not that I find either offensive. not at all, they SHOULD be involved in the Pacific event. Now you’ve saying it has to be from the debris. that's implied. the t-bar cross is from the debris, and is relevant to the history there. They aren't bringing in some cross from some church or something and throwing it in the middle of the place. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:32:10 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 17:56:52 2011. it is NOT, but whatever dude. It's on a Japanses ship participating in the multinational Pacific exercises, so fail. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 18:33:16 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 30 18:23:11 2011. So let's say that an Orthodox terrorist group killed 3000 in Turkey in the name of "Liberating Constantinople." Do you believe that then Turkey would be right in banning Christian symbols near the site of said attack, even if they were only there to commemorate Christians who were among the dead?Islam doesn't have a hierarchy. The Caliphate was abolished. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:37:07 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 18:01:41 2011. because unlike the war with Japan, which was 70 years ago, we are still at war with the funamentalist muslims. "All the Germans" and "all the Japanese" were not involved with WWII either, but it took a while for people to trust them again. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 18:38:15 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:32:10 2011. A Japanese ship in Pearl Harbor is much worse than a flag flying there (if you consider either to be wrong). |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:39:47 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 18:05:28 2011. You said a Japanese flag at Pearl Harbor I give you examples and now you’re claiming they don’t count.and for the 25th time (and final one), THEY ARE ON JAPANESE VESSELS PARTICIPATING IN BIANNUAL MULTINATIONAL event, and NOT flown "at Pearl Harbor", they are flown on guest vessels participating, just like all the other country's flags are on their vessels. And why shouldn’t we treat American Muslims the same way as we treat Christians and Jews. Because we weren't attacked by fundamentalist Jews and Christians and aren't at war with Muslim governments and official Muslim organizations that supported that, and CONTINUE to support that. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 18:40:00 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 18:33:16 2011. False.Olog's been re-establishing it for years now. :) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:40:12 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 18:05:28 2011. You said a Japanese flag at Pearl Harbor I give you examples and now you’re claiming they don’t count.and for the 25th time (and final one), THEY ARE ON JAPANESE VESSELS PARTICIPATING IN BIANNUAL MULTINATIONAL event, and NOT flown "at Pearl Harbor", they are flown on guest vessels participating, just like all the other country's flags are on their vessels. And why shouldn’t we treat American Muslims the same way as we treat Christians and Jews. Because we weren't attacked by fundamentalist Jews and Christians and are at war with Muslim governments and official Muslim organizations that supported that, and CONTINUE to support that. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 30 18:42:43 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 18:33:16 2011. Don't get me started on the Turks - the are repeatedly harassing the orthodox Church as it is without even waiting for such an event as an excuse. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 18:46:17 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:37:07 2011. Except that "Fundamentalist Muslims" isn't a country like Japan is and was.The United States is still and should always remain the enemy of fascism, totalitarianism and any equivalent. In 1948-49 the United States undertook a major, dangerous mission for humanitarian supply of the vanquished Germans that just months before where the sworn enemy. Because our leaders knew that the German people were never our enemy, it was the expansion of tyranny. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 18:49:33 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:39:47 2011. You only moved the goalposts after he posted the picture. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 18:50:24 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 30 18:42:43 2011. I take it you don't know what happened over there yesterday? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:51:40 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 18:38:15 2011. No, not at all. Flying a flag there when not having a multinational exercise and not on a Japanese ship participating in the event, would be FAR worse. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 18:52:39 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 18:46:17 2011. Well stated! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 18:53:16 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:51:40 2011. Allowing a MILITARY VESSEL OF JAPAN in PEARL HARBOR for any reason is much worse than just flying their flag for some reason. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:53:49 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 18:46:17 2011. it's a different type of war we are in. just because the fundamentalist muslims aren't "a country" doesn't mean we don't have a problem here and are not at war. just look at that lunatic muslim US soldier, in that thread that everyone ignored, that wanted to perform a repeat of the prior Fort Hood attack. and this from a US soldier no less. |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 18:53:51 2011, in response to Re: GP38/R42 Chris is silent Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:30:15 2011. All you said was a Japanese flag at Pearl Harbor; you made no mention of what country is flying it.please. you said: as appropriate as flying Japanese flags at Pearl Harbor Once I found examples you came up with an excuse as to why they don’t count. not at all, they SHOULD be involved in the Pacific event. And the Muslims who died in 9/11 should be given the same respect as Jews and Christians that's implied. the t-bar cross is from the debris, and is relevant to the history there. They aren't bringing in some cross from some church or something and throwing it in the middle of the place. And since no other religious symbols are used in construction you’ve created a criteria that can only be met by cross how convenient. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 30 18:54:43 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 18:50:24 2011. Link? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:56:50 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 18:49:33 2011. because I thought it was obvious that it meant "over pearl harbor", and not on a Japanese vessel, participating in a multinational event. |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 18:58:15 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:53:49 2011. Has anyone talked about honoring fundamentalist Muslims? Do you object to Christian symbols near Centennial Olympic Park in Atlanta? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 30 18:59:03 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 18:46:17 2011. Would he have undertaken that mission IF the Soviet Union was not in the process of becoming our new "enemy"? The real motive behind the reconstruction of Germany and Japan after WWII was to create buffers against Soviet expansion |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 19:01:52 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 18:53:16 2011. good post |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:02:26 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 30 18:54:43 2011. Hit the Times ... look for "Turkey shocked as military resigns" or some variant of that. Erdogun is on his own now ... |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 19:02:49 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:56:50 2011. Why do you consider the former more offensive than the latter? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 30 19:04:11 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 18:53:49 2011. Unlike 9/11, which was sui generis, the Ft. Hood attack is like any number of shooting sprees. You don't really pay attention to the motivation when it's anything else, but when it's a Muslim, HOLY SHIT THAT'S SCARY. Maybe we should be at war with young loners. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 30 19:08:47 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:02:26 2011. Got it - thanks! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 30 19:10:21 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by BMTLines on Sat Jul 30 19:08:47 2011. That's not going to turn out good. But republicans would rather fight over flags. :-\ |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 30 19:13:05 2011, in response to Re: GP38/R42 Chris is silent Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by dand124 on Sat Jul 30 18:53:51 2011. Once I found examples you came up with an excuse as to why they don’t count.you posted ONE example, both the submarine and the warship were participating in the same event, a multinational event, which every country can fly their flags on. That is NOT flying flags "above Pearl Harbor" (for the 27th time). And the Muslims who died in 9/11 should be given the same respect as Jews and Christians And they are. The t-bar is no different than any of the other exhibits there. In the United Nations, there was a permanent exhibit of the atom bomb that was dropped in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. This exhibit included dishes, personal items, and the like, and it also included a statue of St Agnus that was that had fallen over when the bomb went off, and the whole back was blackened, but the front was still intact, as it fell in the dirt. That was an exhibit there, and it did NOT promote "Christianity" at the exhibit any more than this cross does. It's part of the history.   http://www.un.org/disarmament/content/slideshow/exhibit/ THE PERMANENT DISARMAMENT COLLECTION AT THE UNITED NATIONS And since no other religious symbols are used in construction you’ve created a criteria that can only be met by cross how convenient. I gave many examples of items that may have been found. You attacked that post and said "so now you are saying they should be taken from the rubble". Well yeah, that's where the t-bar comes from, it's not like they are shipping in some irrelevant religious item from somewhere to profess anything. |
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