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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:29:38 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by Easy on Tue Jun 21 23:19:49 2011. And as the picture shows, this is quite true. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jun 21 23:30:11 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:02:13 2011. Although that opens another can of worms as the kids know what's going on. "Oh great, no one else wanted us so we wound up with a gay couple"....The can of worms would be even worse if the kids say: "oh great, nobody wanted us. Not even the gay couple" |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:31:09 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 21 23:18:51 2011. But those aren't the ones you have to worry about. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:31:54 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 21 23:20:04 2011. They tend to be professionals because they usually can commit more time to their careers. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:32:28 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 21 23:26:21 2011. I never said one word about molestation though. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jun 21 23:43:52 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:31:54 2011. It's probably more than that. Working class and less educated gays would have more pressure from their less enlightened peers to stay in the closet so it makes sense that openly gay couples would skew wealthier than the general population. Plus of course what you said. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:48:49 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by Easy on Tue Jun 21 23:43:52 2011. I can agree with that. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 21 23:52:31 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:31:54 2011. So we agree they would likely have higher salaries. It's not the why I'm talking about but that they do.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 21 23:53:41 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:32:28 2011. Easy did. You didn't read the whole thread.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:58:24 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 21 23:52:31 2011. But I am only agreeing that they have the higher salaries UNTIL they get involved with the whole kids things. It will go down once that happens as they will have less time to spend in their careers, have less money because kids cost money, and one of the couple may also have to cut their hours way back. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:59:36 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 21 23:53:41 2011. No, I did read the whole thread, but I read your post wrong. I read your post like "I" was right except for the molestation thing, but I now see what you meant. My mistake. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jun 22 00:01:06 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:58:24 2011. I'm not arguing that their pile of money won"t diminish once they begin supporting kids but that they have more to start with, having higher salaries and so the kids will know this and say "YAY!! GAY!!" (Ok maybe that's overdoing it).your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jun 22 00:23:55 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:59:36 2011. No prob, I could have been clearer as well.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 22 00:34:38 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by TonyG on Tue Jun 21 00:29:52 2011. Why? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 22 00:37:41 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:07:33 2011. For some reason I seem to have no problem picturing two lesbian women raising kids, but I have a problem with two gay men.....Many Catholic priests agree with you. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 22 00:41:14 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 22 00:34:38 2011. I agree with him. It would be different if I had a kid, and my wife/girlfriend died, left, disappeared, and I was left with the kid. In that case it's my kid, and it would be my responsibility to raise it, so then there's no choice in the matter. However, for me to go out as a single and say I want to adopt a kid, I would not think that is right, nor what's best for the child. It's not like I am not a good father, or would do anything wrong, but it's not the ideal situation to bring a kid into without it's mother. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jun 22 00:47:08 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 22 00:41:14 2011. Alright, I thought it had something to do with the molestation subject brought up earlier. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 23 19:25:21 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by Easy on Tue Jun 21 05:07:55 2011. A large number of gay men were themselves molested as kids and there seems to be some correlation between being molested as a kid and doing the same thing as an adult.As with all such connections, it is not caused by the abuse or events of childhood, but such connections—when they exist—are caused by shared genes: children are often sexually abused by family members, and that is responsible for the cases where it seems there is a pattern of child victims becoming victims themselves. Sexual abuse as a child does not cause one to be gay or make one more likely to be gay. but gay is certainly a high risk group for pedophilia. And for that matter, do you have any evidence of that claim? |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 23 19:26:37 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 21 07:28:35 2011. How would you define "better"? |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 23 19:27:58 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Jun 21 13:21:10 2011. The argument is moot since parenting doesn't really affect how children turn out.... |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 23 19:30:33 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 14:09:25 2011. Why? |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 23 19:32:02 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 19:56:45 2011. Idealy they SHOULD have their mother's and father's influence.Except that the presence or absence of either a father or mother figure and parenting in general doesn't impact how children turn out. So why is this important? |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 23 19:35:15 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by Easy on Tue Jun 21 21:46:23 2011. Due diligence isn't going to weed out people that were molested (nor maybe should it) unless they have a record of some sort. But since gay couples are far more likely (at least 5 times as likely) as heterosexual couples to have at least one pedophile it's something to consider. I think that the guy in my first link is also gay. He had kids as a single dad with a surrogate. Who does that?But this is going from the faulty premise that being molested as a child makes one more likely to be a pedophile (which is extremely unlikely since pedophilia is a heritable disposition as is homosexuality). |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 23 19:36:53 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 21 23:18:04 2011. No, it seems they also have higher IQ's... |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 23 19:40:48 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 23 19:26:37 2011. More naturally nurturing, mostly. I'll admit that I was ready to list more tuned to scholastics but then realized I was comparing to gay men who would likely be similarly in tune.Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 23 20:01:12 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 23 19:40:48 2011. But if we're talking about couples so desperate to have children that they are willing to adopt, I doubt that's much of an issue.But then, it is ultimately moot since the only issues of relevance in the child's happiness and the resources the adoptive parents can provide, since parenting doesn't impact how children turn out, as adoption studies clearly show... |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 23 20:55:36 2011, in response to Re: Gay couples adopting more often despite barriers, posted by JayMan on Thu Jun 23 20:01:12 2011. Well yeah it's ultimately the child's well being but we did start a thread on gay's adopting so we gotta go to the comparison shopping well.your pal, Fred |
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