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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 29 22:46:40 2011 Trump’s latest scandal: draft-dodging By Rachel Rose Hartman Yesterday, we reported on the growing number of accusations being lobbed at Donald Trump. And now, it seems, another one can be added to the list. This week, Trump told local Fox hosts at "Good Day New York" that he didn't serve in Vietnam because he "got lucky" with his draft lottery number. But The Smoking Gun uncovered documents that say otherwise. "Selective Service records reveal that Trump, the fortunate son of a multimillionaire real estate baron, took repeated steps to avoid serving in Vietnam," the website reported. Documents obtained by the Smoking Gun via a records request from the National Archives show that Trump received four student deferments and then a medical deferment following his graduation from Wharton. The documentary trail differs sharply from what Trump said during his "Good Day New York" interview Tuesday. When asked how he avoided service in Vietnam, Trump replied: Well, I actually got lucky because I had a very high draft number... I was sitting in college, watching. I was going to the Wharton School of Finance and I was watching as they did the draft numbers and I got a very, very high number and those numbers [they] never got up to. The Smoking Gun poked yet another hole in Trump's story, reporting that Trump's number (356) was called up in the Vietnam lottery on Dec. 1, 1969, a full 18 months after Trump graduated from Wharton. As Brian Bolduc of National Review Online noted yesterday, it was documented by Gwenda Blair in her book "Donald Trump: Master Apprentice" that Trump received a medical deferment "despite his athletic prowess." As of midday Friday, Trump had yet to respond publicly to the reports. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Fri Apr 29 22:52:04 2011, in response to Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 29 22:46:40 2011. so called "draft dodgers" are heros. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Apr 29 22:53:08 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Dand124 on Fri Apr 29 22:52:04 2011. true |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 29 22:55:13 2011, in response to Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 29 22:46:40 2011. I'm still waiting for The Donald to own up to fabricating a nonexistent CNN poll about him vs. Obama on John King the other day... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 29 23:00:35 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 29 22:55:13 2011. I'm still waiting for more from you on that hate crime against a tranny in Maryland.Not sure why you care so much about Trump. I guess you want him to win the GOP primary because you're afraid that the GOP might find a legit candidate who can beat the fading Barry Soetoro. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 29 23:06:42 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Dand124 on Fri Apr 29 22:52:04 2011. But he didn't say he purposely dodged the draft because that war was wrong.he said he got a high number. He lied to you and you eat it up. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Apr 29 23:48:38 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Apr 29 22:53:08 2011. Yes, like you! |
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Posted by BoB Andersen on Sat Apr 30 07:08:08 2011, in response to Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 29 22:46:40 2011. My number was 189 in that lottery and I was never called. It went by local draft board and my local draft board only go to around 180.According to this site , the highest number for anywhere in the country was only 195. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 07:11:58 2011, in response to Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 29 22:46:40 2011. Errrrr, smazzo, my friend. Can you tell us where Barack obama served? OR Maybe you'd like to tell us how William Jefferson Clinton avoided his military service........ |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 07:13:20 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 29 22:55:13 2011. You are a racist. You are constantly running Donald Trump down ONLY because he is white! |
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Posted by johnl on Sat Apr 30 07:22:36 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 07:11:58 2011. Steve: it appears that your memory is getting worse with age. We already know that Clinton avoided the draft by going to Oxford, where he smoked but didn’t inhale. Not glorious, but he at least didn’t outright lie about it.As for Obama, as far as I recall, there weren’t any US child soldiers in Vietnam. Maybe you can help me there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 30 07:28:40 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 29 23:06:42 2011. False, it's YOU that eat up the lies.....http://www.sss.gov/LOTTER8.HTM reporting that Trump's number (356) was called up in the Vietnam lottery on Dec. 1, 1969 The lottery drawing held December 1, 1969, determined the order in which men, born from 1944 through 1950, were called to report for induction into the military. The highest lottery number called for this group was 195; |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 30 07:31:43 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 29 22:55:13 2011. The left loves making up stories as they go along. Of course, when the write it it becomes "fact".http://www.subchat.com/otchat/read.asp?Id=772673 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 07:35:11 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by johnl on Sat Apr 30 07:22:36 2011. Well, John, maybe you can help me out here but where did I say obama avoided Viet Nam. I implied that he did not serve in the military. Seems you need a little bit of brushing up on your reading comprehension. Now, as far as I'm concerned, John, running to Canada or jolly ole England to avoid military service is draft dodging. If you got a legitimate deferment and didn't have to go - more power to you. It would seem that both Clinton and Trump had deferments. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 07:40:11 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 07:35:11 2011. Just to be clear, John, Clinton's number in 1969 would have been 311 while Trump's would have been 356. Neither of them would have been called since, as correctly pointed out, the highest number called was 195. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 30 08:36:09 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 07:40:11 2011. But look at the JayZee's, Smaz, & Co just jump on the lies. If it's written on some leftist blog, they take it as "fact". Now watch them, continue to use this "fact" in the future, even though Clinton would have been called before Trump! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 08:50:14 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 30 07:28:40 2011. What sheer hypocrisy.From the source: APRIL 28--Despite Donald Trump’s claim this week that he avoided serving in the Vietnam War solely due to a high draft number, Selective Service records show that the purported presidential aspirant actually received a series of student deferments while in college and then topped those off with a medical deferment after graduation that helped spare him from fighting for his country, The Smoking Gun has learned. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 08:52:33 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 30 07:28:40 2011. Actually, sorry. It's not hypocrisy. You're claiming that someone is lying but you're not lying, you're just misinformed out of carelessness or an inability to read. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 08:53:34 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 30 08:36:09 2011. It's pathetic that they are such demagogs. It makes rational discussion with either of them, impossible. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 08:55:59 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 30 07:28:40 2011. The number isn't in dispute...It's that he claims that his high number was the only reason he didn't serve when in fact he obtained student and medical deferments prior to that. From the article that nobody read: By the time his number (356) was drawn during the December 1, 1969 draft lottery, Trump had already received four student deferments and a medical deferment, according to military records on file with the National Archives and Records Administration. An extract of Trump’s Selective Classification record, seen here, was provided in response to a TSG records request. Therein is the lie. Again, it's not the number that you all focused on. In fact, the December 1969 draft lottery occurred about 18 months after Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania, where he studied business at the Wharton School. So, while claiming that he would “never forget” being at Wharton watching the draft numbers being drawn, the 64-year-old Trump seems to have misremembered, as candidates are fond of saying. ***Trump obtained his first two Class 2-S student deferments in June 1964 and December 1965, when he was student at Fordham University in the Bronx. He was briefly reclassified as 1-A--or “available for military service”--in late-November 1966, but that classification was switched back to 2-S three weeks later.*** Another 2-S deferment is dated January 16, 1968, just months before his graduation from UPenn (to which he transferred following his sophomore year at Fordham). Looks like you ate up the lie, too. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 08:57:06 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 08:52:33 2011. None of those guys can read worth a shit.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 08:57:13 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 08:50:14 2011. Two things:Student deferments were a perfectly legal avenue to avoid serving in Viet Nam. With a 3 of 356, Trump would not have been called for military service. I see no dishonesty here! Perhaps you can explain more clearly what issue you are trying to raise? |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 08:58:50 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 30 08:36:09 2011. WHOOPS!!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 08:59:21 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 08:55:59 2011. Legal deferments were legal deferments, Fred. I see no issue here and I certainly am not a supporter of Donald Trump's. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:00:19 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 08:53:34 2011. LMAO - WHOOPSLooks like you didn't feel like reading, either. As you are fond of saying WHY LET FACTS GET IN THE WAY?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:01:25 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 08:57:13 2011. Clearly explained here AND IN THE ARTICLE ITSELFyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:02:35 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:00:19 2011. What facts ae you disputing, fred? Seems you are selectively reading. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:02:57 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 08:59:21 2011. The deferments in and of themselves aren't in question, Steve; it's the fact that he claims the lottery number was the only reason he didn't go is the "smoking gun".your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:04:14 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:02:35 2011. No I'm not. It's simple. Trump claims the only reason he didn't go is because his number didn't come up. But then these deferments popped up and contradicted his story.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 09:05:33 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 08:57:13 2011. Student deferments were a perfectly legal avenue to avoid serving in Viet Nam.Nobody's doubting this. The dispute is that Trump claims that it was his high number that prevented him from serving. Not student deferment. With a 3 of 356, Trump would not have been called for military service. If Trump didn't have his deferments, he'd have been called in 1965. It was that which prevented his service, not his high number. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:10:54 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:01:25 2011. It certainly seems that this may be a bit more damning but the entire left seems overly happy to ignore it! Clinton's Dubious Draft-Dodge Date Added: July 3, 2003 Last Updated: July 3, 2003 That former President William Jefferson Clinton utilized a complicated string of political favors and unkept promises to avoid action in Vietnam is now a matter of public record. What isn't public, however, is what, if any, criminal implications his actions may have had. Until now, that is, when this anonymously authored chain letter pretends to do what the mainstream press has been unable to do for more than a decade. Clinton's Military record: Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Given Selective Service Number 3 26 46 228. Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964. * Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968. * Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28,1969. * Bill Clinton dishonors order to report and is not inducted into the military. * Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07,1969 under authority of Col.E.Holmes. and takes oath of enlistment. * Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969. * Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) 'registrant who has failed to report...remain liable for induction'. * Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction, is INELIGIBLE! * Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40. * Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976),while a fugitive from justice. * Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977 from Carter. * Bill Clinton FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President. All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws, and various books that have been published, and have not been refuted by Clinton. Aside from an improper application of public law, the events outlined above are basically correct, at least until the author draws the fallacious conclusion that Clinton was a criminal for his actions. A complete account of Clinton's elaborate draft-dodge is given in the reference cited below, but the gist is this: Eighteen-year old Bill enters Georgetown University and registers for Selective Service, as required by law. His status as a full-time student earns him a deferrment. In his senior year, Bill receives a Rhodes Scholarship to study at Oxford University. In February of 1968, the Federal Government eliminates draft deferments for graduate students and Bill once again becomes eligible in March of that year. Clinton subsequently, though family and political connections, obtains a Navy Billet from the local naval reserve unit and temporary draft protection from the Garland County Draft Board, allowing him to start at Oxford - special treatment that was not uncommon for Rhode's Scholars of the day. Clinton completes his first term at Oxford in December, 1969, and is ordered to report for a physical in January, which he did. In April 1969, Bill was ordered to report for induction. However, delays in International mail delivery resulted in Clinton receiving his orders after the induction date had passed. By this time, he had begun his second term at Oxford. Regulations allowed him to complete the term, but he must report for induction by July 28, 1969. Once again utilizing extensive political connections, Clinton gets accepted into the University of Arkansas ROTC program on July 17, nullifying his draft notice. Clinton would not have to enroll until he completed basic training the following year. In the fall of '69, Clinton opts to return to Oxford, rather than enroll in the University of Arkansas Law School. While at Oxford, Clinton contacts the draft board to drop his ROTC deferment and return to active status. By this time, regulations had changed, allowing graduate students to complete their schooling before reporting for military duty. Clinton had a high enough draft number to virtually ensure he would not be called. While his conduct may have been immoral and was undoubtedly unethical, it was not illegal under the laws at that time and, thus, the conclusion drawn that he was the first pardoned criminal to serve as President is fallacious. He craftily manipulated the system, but he had the proper and legal right to do everything he did. He was never technically AWOL, never guilty of failing to report, was never a criminal under public law and, thus, was not among those pardoned by President Carter in 1977. The author of the chain letter above does not identify himself or his credentials. This chain has appeared to be the work of several different people, but every one of those credits has turned up to be a case of False Attribution Syndrome. Break this chain. References: Snopes.com |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:11:41 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:02:57 2011. Big deal! His deferments were all legal |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:12:59 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 09:05:33 2011. and yet was reportedly a star athlete. As one site asked, what is wrong with him that he got a medical deferment and would it preclude him from serving as Commander in Chief.WE NEED TO SEE HIS MEDICAL DEFERMENT AND ALL EXAMINATION DOCUMENTATION. LOL your pal, The Trumpers |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:13:30 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 09:05:33 2011. Look, I am no supporter of Trumps. In fact I think that he's a demoncratic plant but I think you guys are grasping at straws. If this were barack obama, it would be racist even to question it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:14:17 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:10:54 2011. YOU STAND CORRECTED ON THE ISSUE AT HAND. WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING BILL CLINTON OR ANYONE ELSE.DONALD TRUMP - DID HE LIE OR NOT? your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:14:44 2011, in response to Re: Trump Got A Medical Deferment, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:12:59 2011. I agree and said so several weeks ago. I think military service should be required for any commander in chief including the current one. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:15:59 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:14:17 2011. We are back to the same old point that we've been discussing for years. "The hypocrisy of the left." |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:16:29 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:11:41 2011. Of course they were legal. He's guilty of omission of fact since he claimed the only reason he didn't serve was due to his lottery number.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:18:26 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:15:59 2011. It's your hypocrisy, trying to change the subject instead of saying "yes, I and the others misread the article". This is the kind of stuff you guys accuse us off all the time.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:21:33 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:16:29 2011. So disqualify Trump from running for office if the sins are so venal. It seems to me that Clinton's "Sins of omission" were far worse and you and the others of the left-leaning persuasion see fit to make excuses for him at every turn. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:22:42 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:18:26 2011. And it's true. You,selkook and ding-dong continually raise the issue of George Bush's presidency to excuse the current joke for his failings. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:32:24 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:21:33 2011. Clinton's Presidency came and went. So did Bush's, of whose Presidency the mere mention of brings admonishment from the right leaners here. Fair's fair.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:33:29 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:22:42 2011. The last President is a logical touchstone to compare the current one with. It's not like we're bringing up Chester Arthur or Franklin Pierce here.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 09:48:33 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 08:50:14 2011. I'm not sure that's hypocrisy. He never said that serving was an important duty or anything like that. It's just lying. Clinton didn't mind everyone knowing he dodged the draft. Trump seems to mind (not surprising, given his target audience), and so he lied. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 09:51:34 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 09:15:59 2011. ???I don't mind Clinton getting out of the draft with deferments. And if he committed a felony no one ever charged him. I certainly don't mind Trump getting out of the draft with deferments either. He followed the law, as did many others. I don't even care that he lied about it - he's lied about plenty of other things in the past. But this time he got caught. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 30 09:52:29 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 07:13:20 2011. I'm "running Trump down" because he is using outright, blatant falsehoods to promote himself. In the past few days, he's been shown fabricating stories about nonexistent CNN polls, his draft "deferment", his assertioins that Obama's "long-form" certificate was somehow "missing"...Trump opened the door to this, all by himself, with his own lies. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 09:52:48 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 08:57:06 2011. They can. They often choose not to. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 09:53:28 2011, in response to Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 08:52:33 2011. Ah. I made the same quibble with one of your posts before reading this. |
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Bad writing Re: Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 30 10:05:16 2011, in response to Trump's Latest Scandal: Draft-dodging, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 29 22:46:40 2011. The Smoking Gun poked yet another hole in Trump's story, reporting that Trump's number (356) was called up in the Vietnam lottery on Dec. 1, 1969, a full 18 months after Trump graduated from Wharton.What happened on 12/1/1969 is that the numbers were drawn for people born before 1950. Trump drew 356 on that day. "Called up" suggests that people who had that number were drafted on that day, which is obvious nonsense. No one who drew a number on that day was drafted that day. Literally the sentence is true but it sure gives the wrong impression. |
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Re: Trump Got A Medical Deferment |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Sat Apr 30 10:22:57 2011, in response to Re: Trump Got A Medical Deferment, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 30 09:12:59 2011. ROTFLMAO |
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