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Obama plan to cut deficit (Re: GOP House Votes ...)

Posted by David Fairthorne on Sun Apr 17 15:41:48 2011, in response to GOP House Votes To Eliminate Medicare, Raise Taxes On Middle Class, Lower Them for the Wealthiest, posted by SMAZ on Fri Apr 15 15:43:54 2011.

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Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110413/ts_afp/useconomypoliticsobama


Obama proposes $4 trillion in deficit cuts

by Stephen Collinson Stephen Collinson – Wed Apr 13, 6:41 pm ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) – US President Barack Obama unveiled a $4 trillion deficit reduction drive on Wednesday and savaged Republican plans that he said would reward the rich and fracture America's social compact.

Obama laid out his vision in a speech at George Washington University, aiming to prepare the ground for short-term budget fights and define his stand on an issue crucial to the US economy and his 2012 reelection chances.

He proposed cutting spending with a "scalpel and not a machete" on health care costs, the military and some bedrock social programs, and decried the vision of budget-cutting Republicans as "deeply pessimistic."

In addition to cuts in discretionary spending, Obama would finance his deficit drive with tax increases for affluent Americans. But he warned he would not allow investments in education, broadband and clean energy to be starved.

"The debate about budgets and deficits is about more than just numbers on a page, more than just cutting and spending," Obama said.

"It's about the kind of future we want, it's about the kind of country we believe in."

Obama unveiled a plan to achieve $4 trillion in deficit reduction over 12 years or less, saying he was borrowing recommendations from a bipartisan fiscal commission which reported last year.

Officials said the approach would shave deficits as a share of the US economy to 2.5 percent of GDP in 2015 and put them on a path to reach close to 2.0 percent by the end of this decade.

Currently, the US budget deficit is forecast to reach $1.6 trillion this year and cumulative public debt stands at $14.27 trillion.

He also proposed a "debt fail-safe" to trigger spending reductions if the ratio of debt to GDP is not stabilized by the end of the decade and said deficit trimming should be phased in over time to protect the recovery.

The president said every sector of government spending should be "on the table," giving notice that social programs cherished by Democrats would not be immune and proposed a fundamental strategic review to mine for waste in military spending.

Portraying himself as a conciliator amid Washington's fevered political debate, Obama called on Democrats and Republicans to come together to secure a prosperous future for their country.

But he savaged a rival budget and deficit reduction plan put forward by Republican congressman Paul Ryan, which aims to cut 4.4 trillion dollars from the deficit over a decade.

Obama argued Ryan's plan mandated sweeping cuts on health care programs for the poor and the elderly while rewarding the richest Americans with tax cuts.

"The fact is, their vision is less about reducing the deficit than it is about changing the basic social compact in America," Obama said.

"There's nothing serious about a plan that claims to reduce the deficit by spending a trillion dollars on tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires.

"There's nothing courageous about asking for a sacrifice from those who can least afford it and don't have any clout on Capitol Hill," Obama said, criticizing Republican cuts in clean energy, education and transportation.

"They paint a vision of our future that's deeply pessimistic... we are presented with a vision that says the United States of America - the greatest nation on Earth -- can't afford any of this."

Ryan, who was in the audience for the speech, delivered an equally hard hitting assessment of Obama's performance.

"What we heard today was not fiscal leadership from our commander-in-chief. What we heard today was a political broadside from our campaigner-in-chief."

Defense Secretary Robert Gates meanwhile warned through a spokesman that Obama's proposed defense budget cuts would have a serious impact, amid suggestions of tension between the White House and the Pentagon.

"The secretary has been clear that further significant defense cuts cannot be accomplished without reducing force structure and military capability," said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell.

Lining up a tough election-year tussle, Obama said he would refuse to allow tax cuts for the rich passed under president George W. Bush to be extended when they come up for renewal in 2012.

The president was forced to agree to an extension of the cuts late last year in a compromise with Republicans that avoided tax hikes on the middle-class.

Obama met key congressional leaders ahead of the showpiece speech and Republicans immediately dug in over taxes, challenging the president with new boldness after winning 39 billion dollars in cuts in a budget showdown.

Eric Cantor, the number two Republican in the House of Representatives, slammed the president's approach, saying it lacked details.

"We have spoken to the specifics. Mr. President, we are serious, where are you?"



He also proposed a "debt fail-safe" to trigger spending reductions if the ratio of debt to GDP is not stabilized by the end of the decade and said deficit trimming should be phased in over time to protect the recovery.

In my opinion the fail-safe trigger is an excellent idea, because it would require Congress to take corrective action if the predictions turned out to be incorrect.

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Re: GOP House Votes To Eliminate Medicare, Raise Taxes On Middle Class, Lower Them for the Wealthiest

Posted by johnl on Sun Apr 17 17:41:24 2011, in response to Re: GOP House Votes To Eliminate Medicare, Raise Taxes On Middle Class, Lower Them for the Wealthiest, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 16 23:45:18 2011.

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…when I hear people say "just take it all away, where's my tax cut?" it pissed me off a bit.

But it gets worse: you ask the average American about cutting some programs to fund said tax cut, and the answers are consistently that they don’t want funding cut for programs they benefit from, but they don’t mind cutting programs they don’t use personally.

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Re: GOP House Votes To Eliminate Medicare, Raise Taxes On Middle Class, Lower Them for the Wealthiest

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 17 17:42:32 2011, in response to Re: GOP House Votes To Eliminate Medicare, Raise Taxes On Middle Class, Lower Them for the Wealthiest, posted by johnl on Sun Apr 17 17:41:24 2011.

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Heh. Just posted an article a message or so back in the count about "taxes ... are too damned high." And we wonder why we're broke?

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Re: SMAZ

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 17 23:58:38 2011, in response to Re:, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 16 10:07:46 2011.

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Nah, it serves a purpose. SMAZ is a tool. He reads liberal websites, then parrots them here without really reading what he's posting.

With all due respect, SMAZ is definitely left-leaning on some issues, BUT one thing he is not is a parrot. I know because I accused him of being one back in January, only to be proven wrong when SUBWAYSURF proved that SMAZ may actually write the talking points for Huffington Post.



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Re: SMAZ

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 18 08:38:50 2011, in response to Re: SMAZ, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 17 23:58:38 2011.

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Thank you.

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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 18 08:56:42 2011, in response to Re:, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 16 10:07:46 2011.

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LOL

your pal,
Fred

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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 18 09:15:08 2011, in response to Re:, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 18 08:56:42 2011.

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heh.

he thinks everybody is like him.

Truth is that I don't read the TV, watch the radio or listen to any political blogs.
My TVs are essentially my Netflix monitors.
The radio is something I listen to in the car and it's almost always music (of my choice).
And I mean I almost NEVER do so (except for occasional live sports events). That's the truth. I have no use for those mediums.

They are dumb, predictable, derivative, repetitive and made for sheep.
Rarely does anybody writing or talking on those things ever really know anything about the issue at hand.




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Posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 18 09:17:12 2011, in response to Re:, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 18 09:15:08 2011.

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I watch TCM on TV and listen to canned music in my vehicle.

I was laughing at Chris' post since he described a very familiar modus operandi.

your pal,
Fred

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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 18 09:20:58 2011, in response to Re:, posted by Fred G on Mon Apr 18 09:17:12 2011.

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I was laughing at Chris' post since he described a very familiar modus operandi.

Sermo datur cunctis; animi sapientia paucis


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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 18 11:11:30 2011, in response to Re:, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 18 09:15:08 2011.

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The truth is, I am exactly the same way.
I don't watch all that much TV, and when I do it's stuff like History Channel or Discovery Channel (Deadliest Catch type stuff or Documentaries), or sports things.
I hardly ever watched the "news" whether local or national or cable. At the end of December I decided I will not turn on ANY of the news channels, whether local, cable, or national, and I never looked back. I only slipped up once, and that was when the earthquake hit Japan, and that was only for a day.
I have satellite radio, but mostly only listed to various music channels, and occasionally stuff like Howard Stern or something, but that's it.
I never read blogs and the like either. I don't need to hear other people's opinion on things. I can form my own.

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 18 16:32:44 2011, in response to Re:, posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 18 09:15:08 2011.

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Poor Chris ... he must have cable. :)

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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Apr 18 17:37:46 2011, in response to Re:, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 16 10:07:46 2011.

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"He reads liberal websites, then parrots them here without really reading what he's posting. "


And you read the opposite....the extreme-right and post that trash and call it "common sense." Give me a BREAK!






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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 18 23:51:12 2011, in response to Re: SMAZ, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 17 23:58:38 2011.

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If that were the case, that would make him one of the biggest parrots, since those are parrot sites for that agenda.

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Re: SMAZ

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 19 07:53:22 2011, in response to Re: SMAZ, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 17 23:58:38 2011.

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Smaz may be a tool but he ain't the sharpest tool in the shed by any means.

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