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 Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 13 20:47:22 2011, in response to ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote "yes" on Birther Bill, posted by TonyG on Wed Apr 13 20:44:22 2011. Heh. At least they're doing something to boost Arizona's economy there. :) | 
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 Posted by TonyG on Wed Apr 13 20:49:28 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 13 20:47:22 2011. They're not boosting the economy. This bill will be revenue neutral at best or revenue negative in likely scenario (especially if Obama is barred from campaigning here and the associated revenue of the campaign infrastructure goes away). The ONLY area of economic development this helps is constitutional law attorneys. The bill is so poorly written that a 3rd grader can declare it unconstitutional on FIRST AMENDMENT grounds (with the baptismal/circumcision language). | 
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 Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 13 21:13:23 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by TonyG on Wed Apr 13 20:49:28 2011. I was being facetious about it ... you'd think your legislature there would have more pressing issues to worry about, but just like the same characters on the national scale, THIS is what's more important than any of that. The people ARE getting what they voted for ... :-\ | 
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 Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 13 21:14:46 2011, in response to ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote "yes" on Birther Bill, posted by TonyG on Wed Apr 13 20:44:22 2011. Wouldn't "Proofer" be a better term? Nothing wrong with asking for more accountability from our politicians. | 
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 Posted by TonyG on Wed Apr 13 21:19:39 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 13 21:14:46 2011. Other than:a.) This bill is blatantly unconstitutional b.) This law seeks to give one party an unfair advantage in the 2012 Presidential election by attempting to discredit the candidacy of another party's Presidential candidate c.) This law has ONE target: Barack Obama.  | 
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 Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 13 21:21:02 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by TonyG on Wed Apr 13 21:19:39 2011. I see nothing wrong with asking for more accountability from politicians. Nothing. They all should have to show an original long-form birth certificate if the public asks. | 
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 Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 13 21:24:00 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 13 21:21:02 2011. Suppose like me they don't have one? | 
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 Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Apr 13 21:30:35 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 13 21:21:02 2011. The original long-form birth certificate, however, cannot be released as per HI law...and it's not waivable. What would happen here is someone would sue, and the court battle would drag past 2012, allowing the Republican candidate to run unopposed in AZ. | 
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 Posted by TonyG on Wed Apr 13 21:37:44 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Apr 13 21:30:35 2011. Actually, what would likely happen, in light of a suit, is that a federal judge would put a stay on the enforcement of this law. The state would likely appeal to the 9th Circuit, which would uphold the judge's stay. The state would then appeal to the Supreme Court which probably wouldn't hear the case until after November 2012. Therefore, Obama would still be able to run in Arizona. | 
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 Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 14 00:23:40 2011, in response to ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote "yes" on Birther Bill, posted by TonyG on Wed Apr 13 20:44:22 2011. There's no end to the stupid on this. We have a black President; get over it.your pal, Fred  | 
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 Posted by TonyG on Thu Apr 14 01:00:08 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 14 00:23:40 2011. I agree. I believe that the thought would be that if they are somehow successful on knocking Obama off of the 2012 ballot, that they would be able to suppress the Democratic vote and ensure that they would be re-elected.The govornor is going to sign this, unfortunately. My only hope is that it is able to be either overturned or a stay can be put on it prior to the 2012 election. Obama doesn't have the required documentation which is why it was worded specifically to exclude him from being on the ballot. However, Obama does have documentation that can prove he is eligible to be President.  | 
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 Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 14 01:03:41 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by TonyG on Wed Apr 13 21:19:39 2011. a.) This bill is blatantly unconstitutionalYes, but not for the reason you think b.) This law seeks to give one party an unfair advantage in the 2012 Presidential election by attempting to discredit the candidacy of another party's Presidential candidate And? c.) This law has ONE target: Barack Obama. No, it's main target is the next potential Barack Obama. If he's a citizen, release the long form and this entire law is moot.  | 
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 Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Apr 14 01:03:48 2011, in response to ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote "yes" on Birther Bill, posted by TonyG on Wed Apr 13 20:44:22 2011. Good. | 
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 Posted by TonyG on Thu Apr 14 01:06:21 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 13 21:14:46 2011. No. Here's the problem with this law. In order to be on the Arizona ballot, according to the law, one has to have:a.) A long form birth certificate or TWO of the following: b.) Early baptismal or circumcision certificate. C.) Hospital birth record. d.) Postpartum medical record for the mother or child signed by the doctor or midwife or the person who delivered or examined the child after birth. e.) Early census record. Due to Hawaii law, Obama can't get a.) and probably won't be able to provide TWO of b.), c.), d.), or e.). Therefore, Arizona has placed an additional qualification on becoming President that excludes Obama from being listed on the ballot (or written in) yet Obama still meets the Constitutional requirements to serve as President of the United States. This fact alone should invalidate the law as unconstitutional. It has nothing to do with being a "proofer" or not.  | 
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 Posted by TonyG on Thu Apr 14 01:07:46 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 14 01:03:41 2011. Hawaii law prevents him from releasing the long form. The certification of live birth (which is available with a quick Google image search) should be sufficient. | 
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 Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 14 01:10:39 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by TonyG on Thu Apr 14 01:00:08 2011. One can't get a contractor pass to work on a military base without an extensive background check. I daresay the background check of a Presidential candidate is even more stringent. This is really stupid.your pal, Fred  | 
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 Posted by TonyG on Thu Apr 14 01:11:34 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 14 01:10:39 2011. I agree. Also, it's quite possible that Obama (and other legitimate Presidential candidates) might not be able to pass the litmus test required of the law. That alone should invalidate it as unconstitutional. | 
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 Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 14 01:12:47 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by TonyG on Thu Apr 14 01:06:21 2011. I think Obama can get a.). Hawaii has issued contradictory statements regarding the issue. I believe he was born in Hawaii as Barry Hussein Obama and changed his name later in life. I also believe he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and became an Indonesian citizen. | 
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 Posted by TonyG on Thu Apr 14 01:16:16 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 14 01:12:47 2011. The point is, not everyone born in the US would be able to get a.) and I'm not sure that they would all be able to get TWO of b.) c.) d.) or e.) and therefore the law is unconstitutional. It sets extra parameters as to who is/isn't a natural born US citizen that are not present in federal law. | 
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 Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Apr 14 07:17:58 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 14 00:23:40 2011. Perhaps, seeing as Arizona is the new home of Southern racism, a military district should be created in the state under the Reconstruction Acts. Sic semper tyrannis... | 
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 Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Apr 14 20:12:24 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 14 01:03:41 2011. The long form cannot be released...and that's not waivable. Only the short-form is ever released.Those on FreeRepublic claiming that the long form was available are fabricating documents.  | 
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 Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 14 20:41:36 2011, in response to ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote "yes" on Birther Bill, posted by TonyG on Wed Apr 13 20:44:22 2011. Why would they need a bill? I would think it's a given that one would have to prove his/her eligibility. | 
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 Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Apr 14 20:48:33 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 14 20:41:36 2011. They are setting up obstacles that they think would only apply to Obama---forgetting that very few candidates would be able to supply the requested documentation.The same law would swallow up Trump too.  | 
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 Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 14 21:03:03 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 14 20:41:36 2011. Because they're idiots? Nah. :) | 
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 Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 14 23:05:40 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Apr 14 01:12:47 2011. What "contradictory statements" has Hawaii made on the issue of Obama's birth? I posted a link to a report on the former Hawaii Health director, who examined Obama's birth records (including his Hawaii "long form", and confirmed their authenticity. The (Republican) Governor of Hawaii concurred in these findings. | 
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 Posted by TonyG on Fri Apr 15 01:06:51 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Apr 14 23:05:40 2011. The problem is that the State of Arizona is requesting that they be provided the long-form birth certificate (or TWO of a baptismal certificate, a circumcision certificate, and early census record, a signed statement from two witnesses of the birth, or documentation from a midwife) before they place Obama on the ballot. Obama, per Hawaii law, cannot obtain access to the certificate and likely doesn't have TWO of the other required documentation. | 
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 Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Apr 15 10:44:37 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by TonyG on Thu Apr 14 01:06:21 2011. Due to Hawaii law, Obama can't get a.) and probably won't be able to provide TWO of b.), c.), d.), or e.).Hawaii could conceivably change the law and issue certified photocopies again (after all, it's only taxpayer money). It doesn't matter, though, per subsection E of the law: "If the candidate and national political party committee for that committee submit and swear to the documents prescribed in this section, but the secretary of state believes that the preponderance of the evidence shows that the candidate does not meet the citizenship, age and residency requirements, the secretary of state shall not place that presidential candidate's name on the ballot in this state." In other words, if the Arizona Secretary of State is a birther, Obama is off the ballot regardless of documentation.  | 
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 Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 15 12:32:11 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by TonyG on Thu Apr 14 01:06:21 2011. Hmm. I guess I can't get on the ballot in AZ for President either.I've lost (a) and NYC won't give me another copy of it. I do have (b) somewhere, or could get a copy. The church where I was baptized still exists. But my birth hospital went out of business over 50 years ago, so I can't get (c). My doctor is long dead so I can't get (d). I was born right after a census so I would have been 9 years old at the first census in which I existed, which proves nothing (and besides census records are confidential for 72 years). And just to add to it all, my mother was a non-resident alien at the time of my birth. But I'm definitely a natural born citizen. I was born in the Bronx and I have a machine printed birth certificate with a raised seal from NYC that says so.  | 
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 Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 15 12:33:09 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Apr 13 21:21:02 2011. So you are saying I'm not allowed to run for President. | 
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 Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Apr 15 12:56:18 2011, in response to ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote "yes" on Birther Bill, posted by TonyG on Wed Apr 13 20:44:22 2011. A state law that dictates what the U.S. Constitution requires? Absurd - - let the Feds pass the law, not some right wing blue state. | 
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 Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 15 13:00:51 2011, in response to Re: ALL Arizona Republican Senators vote ''yes'' on Birther Bill, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Apr 14 20:41:36 2011. I can't meet AZ's eligibility requirements, yet I was born in NYC. | 
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